I still hate Ginny Weasley!!! ... She's such a 'Weasley'.

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 131766

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "phoenixgod2000" <jmrazo at h...>
wrote:
> 
> > 
> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > So, people say the clues weren't there. ... an earlier section of 
> > PoA to see how Ginny was interacting with people when Harry was 
> > around...

> PhoenixGod:
> 
> So the clues were there that she is magically powerful? That she 
> likes quiddich? That she likes to prank people? That she liked to 
> steal the twins brooms so she could learn how to fly?
> 

bboyminn:

But you are not arguing 'clues' and 'hints', you are agruing details.
Would Ginny be likely to be magicaly powerful? Of course, given the
rest of her family, I would expect nothing less. I don't need clues to
imply that detail. Is she into Quidditch? Well, given her family, she
either loves it or hates it, and we have no clue that she hates it.
She has lived immersed in Quidditch with six brothers who live and
breath Quidditch. She likes to Prank people? I think that's an
assumption your part. We see no evidence, but on a broad scale, yes,
she probable is not above pulling a prank now and them; sweet revenge
on six self-absorbed older brothers, oh sweet revenge.

The clues are not in the details. No, JKR doesn't drop a clue that
Ginny is specifically any of these things, because those wouldn't be
clues, they would be data. The clues regarding Ginny are that she does
not fit into this comfortable little pigeonhole we have all been
/persuaded/ to put her in. Again, the clues and hints are not in the
details, but in the fact that things are not as they seem.

Further, remember with regard to the greater story arc, Ginny is a
minor character. Even if JKR tried, the publishing editors are not
going to clutter books that are already an unprecedented size with
details of a minor character unless those details move the central
plot along. Keep in mind that the British editors removed Dean
Thomas's sorting in order to trim back the size of the book. By Harry
Potter standard, a short book. British readers were surprised to
discover Dean was a black Londoner.

In addition, while dropping SUBTLE hint that things are not as they
seem, JKR, I think, indended Ginny's real personality to surprise us
the readers as much as it surprised Harry.
 
> PhoenixGod continues:
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> On a more serious note, please tell me where Harry sees her in a 
> whole new light? 
> 

bboyminn:

Well, he's not blind, true, he may not be impressed at the moment, but
he's not blind. We all saw it clearly, how could Harry not see the new
Ginny, and in seeing her, how could he not regard her in a whole new
light. The problem is, the 'Ginny' aspect of the story didn't have
time to develop enough for Harry to react. The story was too busy with
the story to react to this minor point, but none the less, it is
obvious and will be developed further.

> > bboyminn originally said:
> >
> > And remember, her growing prominence is there to offset Fred and 
> > George's deminishing prominence.

> Lord and Master of all Phoenix (phoenixgod2000) replies:
> 
> If all Ginny is going to be is the next generation of comic relief 
> then I will be fine. It's the LI aspect and her really annoying 
> attitude that bothers me.
> 

bboyminn:

Ahhhh... but you missed one very crucial point. I never said Ginny
would replace Fred and George's PURPOSE in the story, she will replace
their /prominence/. Ginny will not become the 'prankster', she will
become the 'other' Weasleys in Harry's daily life.


> > bboyminn originally said:
> > Yes, her change was sudden, and it catches Harry as off-guard as 
> > it catches us, and that should be a clue in and of itself.

> Phoenixgod replies:
> 
> While it does catch him off guard right at the beginning of the 
> book, it moves to the realm of complete irrelevence once he gets 
> used to the new status quo. ...not even the smallest thought of 
> Ginny in a romantic light during OOTP. ...
>  

bboyminn: 

We each come to enlightenment in our own way. For some, it comes as a
revelation, as in Ron's "Hermione, you're a girl!". For others, it's a
growing awareness. While Harry hasn't felt the 'twinge' in his loins,
he does have a growing awareness that Ginny is not Ron's baby sister,
rather a young woman that is found desirable by many men. So, if we
just give those 'headlights' a little more time to shine, whether he
fall for her or not, Harry will certainly feel a 'twinge' of
enlightenment. Either that or 1,000,000 SLASH stories weren't wrong
afterall.



> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > As a side note - I SO PREDICTED Ron's reaction to any guys that
> > are interested in Ginny. Typical big brother behavior. I still 
> > see Ron acting like this when Ginny is in her 30's, assuming she's
> > not marriedby that time. 

> Phoenixgod:
> 
> I still act that way and my sister is practically married. It is 
> what big brothers do and I thought Ron's reactions were well done as 
> well. Ron also seems to want Ginny and Harry to hook up. Maybe that 
> means they won't since Ron will be shoving Ginny on Harry. Could be 
> some good comedy.
> 
> phoenixgod2000


bboyminn:

Yes, I thoroughly enjoyed Ron's reaction, and I anticipate it will get
worse before it gets better. Slashy as it may seem, I could see Ron
not being too flustered if Dean or Seamus slept with Harry
(slash-nudge, slash-wink); he could trust Dean and Seamus THAT MUCH,
but he would go ballistic at the thought of either Dean or Seamus even
thinking about Ginny, shag Harry-yes, but he certainly doesn't want
those filthy disgusting perverted 'they only want one thing' boys
thinking about his sister /that way/. It really is quite comical.

Steve/bboyminn