Voldemort and free will (was: Re: Did JKR cheat with the prophecy?)

[albusthewhite]

No: HPFGUIDX 125932



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote:
> 
> > > vmonte responds:
> > >
> > > The Tom Riddle preserved in the diary was only a teenager. This
> > > diary was made by Tom while he was at Hogwarts. And it did not
> > > contain any future memories of the prophecy.
> > >
> > > Vivian
> > Doddie here: [snip]
> >
> > You absolutely cannot use this arguement since "Diary Tom" would
> > not have known about Harry Potter defeating him YEARS LATER, yet
> > speaks about it in COS scene!!!!
> 
> 
> now albusthewhite: Actually, you absolutely *can* use this argument,
> because as Riddle himself says, "Well, you see, Ginny told me all
> about you, Harry.... Your whole *fascinating* history" (CoS USHB
> 311). TR doesn't have any memory beyond his (fifth?) year at
> Hogwarts; the info on more current events is provided unwittingly by
> Ginny in conversing (IMing?) with her diary.
> 
> vmonte again:
> 
> Actually, you can't. Ginny doesn't know anything about the prophecy,
> neither does Harry (during CoS). Dumbledore tells Harry about the
> prophecy during OOTP, 2 years later. So, all that Ginny could have
> told TR about Harry is what is common knowledge in the WW. Basically,
> that Voldemort was defeated by a baby--no details, nothing.
> Vivian

albusthewhite once more:

Let's be clear about what this argument can and can not be used for:

1. TR *can* know about LV's (& his future) defeat at the hands of HP.  Common knowledge, 
yes, but unknown to TR and certainly of interest to him.

2. TR can *not* find out about the prophecy from Ginny - b/c she doesn't know about it.  
But I don't believe that TR ever references the prophecy.  If this is the case, then perhaps 
there's a Flint somewhere in here.

No, TR d/n have any future memories of the prophecy - or of anything beyond the time of 
the diary's creation.  But contrary to what Doddie says, TR certainly *can* find out about 
his defeat by HP.  If the prophecy is the issue, and it is specifically mentioned by TR, then I 
don't know how to make sense of this without making it unnecessarily convoluted; but as I 
lay it out here, it at least makes sense to me.

-- albus