Voldemort and free will (was: Re: Did JKR cheat with the prophecy?)

[vmonte]

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> I vmonte again:

Actually, you can't. Ginny doesn't know anything about the prophecy,
neither does Harry (during CoS). Dumbledore tells Harry about the
prophecy during OOTP, 2 years later. So, all that Ginny could have
told TR about Harry is what is common knowledge in the WW. Basically,
that Voldemort was defeated by a baby--no details, nothing.
Vivian

>albusthewhite once more:

Let's be clear about what this argument can and can not be used for:

1. TR *can* know about LV's (& his future) defeat at the hands of HP.
Common knowledge, yes, but unknown to TR and certainly of interest to
him.

2. TR can *not* find out about the prophecy from Ginny - b/c she
doesn't know about it. But I don't believe that TR ever references
the prophecy. If this is the case, then perhaps there's a Flint
somewhere in here.

No, TR d/n have any future memories of the prophecy - or of anything
beyond the time of the diary's creation. But contrary to what Doddie
says, TR certainly *can* find out about his defeat by HP. If the
prophecy is the issue, and it is specifically mentioned by TR, then I
don't know how to make sense of this without making it unnecessarily
convoluted; but as I lay it out here, it at least makes sense to me.

vmonte again:
Hi Albus. You are right that TR knows about his defeat by HP because 
of Ginny. (I finally figured out what you were trying to say, sorry.) 
This thread/post was originally about how some people felt that JKR 
cheated with the prophecy. One poster mentioned that the prophecy 
should have come up during CoS, with TR's diary. I responded that 
Ginny and Harry were not aware of the prophecy and therefore could 
not let Tom know about it. I also mentioned that the memories 
preserved in the diary were of 16-year-old TR (not of the future 
Voldemort). 

TR is never told about the prophecy during CoS, so it was not  
possible for it to come up in that book--and it never did. I agree 
with you that TR only knew what Ginny told him--that he was later 
defeated by HP with no specific details. 
Vivian