Peter as Judas? (was: Christians in HP - in a purely historical way)

[sophierom]

No: HPFGUIDX 128600

Sophierom:
>  Could not Peter Pettigrew act as a sort of Judas figure? He's 
> already betrayed his friends, a betrayal that led to a sacrfice for 
> the greater good (Lily's death).
> > 
> > For his service, Peter has received his 30 pieces of silver in the
> > form of a silver hand. I just wonder when he will attempt to give 
> back the blood money, when he'll come to terms with the depth of his
> > betrayal.

> Tonks:
> Good one.  Never thought of the silver hand in that way before. 
> Could very well be that he is the Judas.  I have imagined it to be 
> Ron at a later date.  But I do like your idea. Perhaps Peter meant 
> his telling LV where the Potters were in the same way that Judas did 
> with Jesus. That is, Judas was a Zealot (a political group 
> advocating a violent takeover) and he thought that if he told where 
> Jesus was it would force Jesus' hand to bring about the revolution.  
> Judas did not understand that this was not the plan.  Judas never 
> understood that it would not be a bloody war. When he realized how 
> mistaken he was and what he had done he was overcome with remorse, 
> after he got the 30 pieces of silver he went and gave it back to 
> them. And then he went out and hung himself.  So it would fit more 
> than I realized before.  Perhaps that is what Peter did.  If that is 
> the case then I will have to change my prediction about Ron.  


Sophierom:

Interesting! I never realized that about Judas (my understanding of
Biblical stories and theology is quite limited!).  So are you
suggesting, then, that Peter Pettigrew was more of a zealot than a
coward? That somehow he thought turning to LV would spark some sort of
confrontation? (Or were you giving that information as background
about zealotry to explain Judas's decision to hang himself?) 

I can't see Peter Pettigrew as a zealot, especially given his own
admission of fear in the Shrieking Shack ("Sirius, Sirius, what could
I have done? The Dark Lord ...you have no idea ...he has weapons you
can't imagine...I was scared, Sirius, I was never brave like you and
Remus and James. I never meant for it to happen." PoA, Am. ed., 374).  

I can, however, see Peter Pettigrew deciding to "hang himself" - if
not literally, then figuratively by going against LV.  

Tonks:
> Instead of Ron being Judas, Ron is Peter. This fits better too.  So 
> Ron will deny Harry, perhaps 3 times. Ron will be captured or 
> somehow encounter LV or the DE and they will say.. "you were with 
> him (Harry)" and Ron will deny it to save himself.

Sophierom:

Intriguing idea.  Ron has already "denied" Harry once that I can
remember: in GoF, when Harry becomes the fourth champion, Ron turns
his back on Harry out of jealousy and hurt. I'm not sure if this would
really count as "denying" Harry, but Ron's usual loyalty did desert
him during those few weeks in their fourth year.

Best, 
Sophie