School year system in the UK/Gluttony

Geoff Bannister gbannister10 at aol.com
Wed May 11 21:49:19 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 128751

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Marcelle" <celletiger at y...> 
wrote:
> In message 128733, Tonks wrote:
> > 
> snip 
> I don't know how the boarding school system is in the UK. In the US 
> Junior High starts with the 7th grade and it would make more sense 
> to me that a boarding school would also begin then instead of with 
> the 6th grade. But maybe the UK is different. Does the UK consider 
> 6th grade to be part of secondary education, or primary??
> > 
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 
> > Geoff:
> > > In message 127769, where we were discussing the transfer age at 
> > Hogwarts, I wrote:
> > 
> snip 
> 
> > So, in the UK, schools following the First/Middle/High pattern 
can 
> > change either at Year 4/Year 9 or Year 4/Year 8 while LEAs who 
> stuck  with the Ibfant/Junior/Secondary scheme change at Year 
4/Year 
> 7.
> > Interestingly, although Hogwarts follows the 11+ transfer age, 
> before the UK started introducing the Middle School concept (as 
> outlined above), many Public schools did transfer at 13+ and 
> therefore didn't match the state system.
> > 
> > A further thought. Is the US Grade numbering slightly different 
to 
> > the UK Year? Harry /did/ start Hogwarts in what today is Year 7.

celletiger:
> I have often wondered about the Hogwarts levels and find the 
> explanations from list members of the British boarding school 
system 
> helpful to make correlations to the US system.  So thanks, y'all.
> 
> To answer Geoff, Harry would have begun Hogwarts in the US 6th 
> Grade - still grammar (elementary) school.  
> Where I'm from, there are no boarding schools and there is no such 
> thing as middle school: We have grammar school from kindergarten (5 
> years old) through 8th Grade (13 years old) and upon graduating 
from 
> 8th Grade, we go to high school for 4 years (9th-12th Grade 14-18 
> years old).  There has been an (unfortunate, IMHO) trend in some 
> schools to begin high school with 8th grade instead of 9th grade.  
> 
> It always seemed strange to me that Hogwarts would include 11 year 
> olds with 17 and 18 year olds...I'm not an educator, but certainly 
> some things that are appropriate for older teenagers are not 
> appropriate for 11 year olds?  They all share meals together, walk 
> the castle halls, share a common room...its simply foreign to me 
> that Hogwarts throws the students all together.


Geoff:
SSSusie also emailed me off-group with similar information.

My reply to her was:

"Yep, there's one difference in the numbering.
Year 11 is the 16+ examination year (Fifth Year in Hogwarts)
Years 12/13 are Lower Sixth/Upper Sixth
Thanks
Geoff"

Another difference here is that where there are grammar schools still 
operating in the UK, they will be for 11+ - 16, Years 7-11 (the old 
First-Fifth Year).

Keep concentrating while you're thinking this one through.......

You, at the back there, put that Butterbeer down at once, boy, and 
pay attention.
:-)






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