World Cup/papers from OoP/Amos and Winky/Hans Andrea/Neville/Godric's Hollow

Sun May 15 01:45:31 UTC 2005

No: HPFGUIDX 128926

Louis Ward wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/128623 :

<< Hermione will have attended a second World Cup over the summer,
on the invitation of Viktor. >>

I think it would be the European Cup, or maybe 'just' the League
Championship, because the QWC is only once every four years. Ludo was
wrong (GoF UK hardcover p93) when he said it was the four hundred and
twenty-second Quidditch World Cup. 

Quidditch Through the Ages, page 39-40 "The year 1473 saw the first
ever Quidditch World Cup ... The World Cup has since been held every
four years, altho' it was not until the seventeenth century that
non-European teams turned up to compete. In 1652 the European Cup was
established, and it has been played every three years since."

Ludo was wrong (GoF UK hardcover p93) when he said it was the four
hundred and twenty-second Quidditch World Cup. (4 * 422) + 1473 =
3161, no6 1995. Even if he meant 422nd *anniversary* of the QWC, that
would be 1473 + 422 = 1895, not 1995. I guess Ludo is as bad at maths
as JKR is.

Tinglinger wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/128637 :

<< That paper, like all papers described in OOP (DDs SK location,
the Droobles gum wrapper, and this one) will be very important
in HBP. >>

There were also papers that Bill was showing to the adults of the
Order when Harry arrived at Grimmauld Place, which he vanished with
"Evanesco!" OOP UK hardcover p.77: "In the flash of light caused by
Mrs Weaseley's charm Harry caught a glimpse of hwat looked like the
plan of a building. Mrs Weasley had seen him looking. She snatched 
the plan off the table and stuffed into bill'slready overladen arms.
'This sort of thing ought to be cleared away promptly at the end of
meetings,' she snapped, before sweeping off toward an ancient dresser
from which she started unloading dinner plates. Bill took out his
wand, muttered 'Evanesco!' and the scrolls vanished."

1) How did Bill have a spare hand for his wand?

2) Elsewhere in OoP, Evanesco! makes things go out of existence. Was
Bill making these scrolls go out of existence? If they were documents
that spies had risked their lives to steal from the enemy, destroying
them seems wasteful....

K.M.G. wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/128697 :

<< Remember how Amos Diggory treated Winky? >>

Yes, but there are two different obvious perceptions. One is Amos
Diggory is a bully, etc, and Arthur Weasley is a nice guy. Another is
that Arthur and Amos were playing 'good cop, bad cop'. It is a
well-known interrogation technique. One partner (the 'bad cop') begins
the interrogation by asking questions in a bullying way, calling the
suspect bad names, and threatening him. The other partner (the 'good
cop') may be secretly watching from outside to know when to come into
the interrogation, or may be present and showing ever more signs of
discomfort at the harsh tactics. The 'good cop' interrupts the 'bad
cop' by suggesting that he is being too hard on the suspect, speaks to
the suspect kindly, sometimes offering him a cup of coffee or
suggesting that he explain how it is that he is innocent. The suspect
ends up giving the desired information (which might be used to prove
his guilt) to the 'good cop' because of emotional feelings of trust
and gratitude to the person who saved him from the 'bad cop' and
treated him kindly.

That Amos and Arthur could fall so automatically into a 'good cop, bad
cop' procedure together suggests to me that, earlier in their Ministry
careers, they were partners in some investigative or law-enforcement
positions. Maybe even 'acting Aurors' when the first Voldemort crisis
required a big increase of the Auror corps, and sent back to their
previous departments after LV was defeated.

Of course, the 'bad cop' role fits Amos's style -- he was pretty
bullying in the way he spoke to Harry, enough so as to embarrass  his
son, and he didn't mean any harm or racism by it. Of course, the 'good
cop' role fits Arthur's style -- we so often see him giving the soft
answer that turneth away wrath. To the point that when (I can't
remember when!) he said Hermione was right about House Elves being
mistreated, but they don't have time to talk about that now, I
suspected him of just 'diplomatically'getting her to shut up.

Catkind wrote to Hans Andrea in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/128713 :

<< Maybe more people would listen to you if you actually had some
correct predictions. >>

IIRC Hans correctly predicted that Harry would be injured in his hand
in Book 5. 

Reed spaebrun wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/128715 :

<< 9. Will Neville take Advanced Potions?
I don't think so. Why would he do that to himself? >>

I have no idea whether Neville will take Advanced Potions, but I think
he might secretly want to become a Healer (*waves at Finwitch*) and
that requires the same NEWTs as McGonagall said are required for
becoming an Auror. I don't think he would have *told* McGonagall (at
Career Advice) that he wanted to be a Healer, because he would think
it was too immodest; I wonder what he did tell her: blush bright red,
look at the floor, and mumble "My Gran wants me to be an Auror"?

Jen TBAYed in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforG
rownups/message/128778 :

<< Snape risked his life to deliver the carefully prepared
ointment to James and Lily at Godric's Hollow on that fateful
afternoon, and was met at the door by James and possibly Sirius
Black. They chided him! >>

How did Snape go to Godric's Hollow when it was hidden under Fidelius
Charm? I've already argued that DD had the information in a note
written by the Secret Keeper, Peter, but it was written in an
imitation of Sirius's  handwriting so as not to reveal to DD that
Sirius wasn't the SK. Did DD show the note to Snape? That would have
been a pretty big thing to do with someone else's Secret! In my
theory, DD wouldn't have had to show the note to Hagrid because James
would have sent Hagrid his own note. I'm sure James and Sirius trusted
the big guy as much as DD did.