Dumbledore's Hypocrisy

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No: HPFGUIDX 129217

Alla:

Erm. I am not so sure at all. It is no secret, that just as you
say,  I also consider Dumbledore's advice especially about Kreacher 
to be  given at very, very, very wrong time and place.
 
I do go back and forth on whether he helped Harry or not when he 
allowed him to crash his office ( it is a possibility that 
ithelped   Harry) but there is nothing, absolutely nothing ( in my
opinion only  of course) which can justify him saying to Harry how 
wrong Sirius  was  when not even couple hours passed after man died.

Pippin:
When should he have said it then? 

Alla:

Hard to come with exact time of course, but most certainly NOT at 
the same day man died, IMO. How about a month or two after the 
events? How about when he sees that Harry's initial grief and shock 
had lessened?

Pippin:
How long should he have 
allowed Harry to feel that Sirius's contempt for Kreacher was
deserved? 

Sirius held Kreacher guilty by association, and made him suffer
when   Kreacher hadn't yet done any harm -- isn't that the very 
definition of prejudice? None of this is to say that Sirius deserved 
to  die. His error was carelessness not malice. But carelessness can 
kill.

Alla:

Are you saying that we have to praise Dumbledore that he did not say 
that Sirius deserved to die? I am a little confused.I would say that 
it is not up to Dumbledore to pass the judgment whether Sirius 
deserved to died or not, IMO. So, I am not sure how is it relevant. 

Personally I feel that Sirius' feelings towards Kreacher were 
deserved, that is IF he was Sirius equal. Kreacher was loyal to 
House of Black and hated Sirius because Sirius had no feelings of 
loyalty towards that House.

I think that Kreacher would not stop to hurt Sirius even IF he was 
treated with kindness, because his feelings of loyallty towards 
Sirius' mother were too strong ( just speculating here).

Of course we will never know, since Sirius did not treat him kindly, 
but I absolutely disagree that he did it because of prejudice 
towards House Elves. I would say because of hatred towards his 
family and anything connected to it.

Pippin: 
 But in any case,  Dumbledore's safety is at end; Voldemort knows 
now  that his fear of Dumbledore was needless, and he may be back to 
finish the job at any moment. The choice is not between the very, 
very wrong time and a possible  better one -- it's a choice between 
the wrong time and no time at all.

Alla:

Huh? Could you explain  please in  more details why Dumbledore had 
to say that now and could not wait later? Is Harry in danger of 
treating ANY house elf the way Sirius treated Kreacher? I agree with 
the earlier sentiments that Harry is  the one who treats house elves 
as equals ( much more so than Hermione, IMO)

So, I don't understand at all, why couldn't Dumbledore say it later? 
Especially since I want to take back my earlier statement  that 
Dumbledore  said that in order for Harry to learn from Sirius' 
mistakes. I see no sign that Harry is in danger of committing such 
mistake in the first place.

Nope, I just think that Dumbledore was engaging in plot based 
explanations of why Sirius died,


Pippin:
However painful it may be for Harry to hear that his godfather 
erred, Harry needs to know because Harry is in grave peril of making 
the same mistake himself, as his contempt for Draco shows. Harry 
doesn't think Draco can hurt him, and in this he's surely wrong. 
Dumbledore's warning may be vain--but how could he live with himself 
if he spared Harry's feelings and Harry fell into the same trap?


Alla:

Confused here again.You are analogising Draco to House Elf? Are you 
saying that if Harry treated Draco with kindness , Draco would do 
the same to him now?

Besides, Harry certainly mocks Draco at the end, but he does NOT let 
his guard down when dealing with Draco and hopefully never will.

In conclusion, I don't agree that Dumbledore said that to spare 
Harry's mistakes.

I think that was untimely  plot related explanation of Sirius 
failings.

Just my opinion,

Alla.