Guardian Dumbledore (was: Re: Dumbledore's Hypocrisy/Sirius and Kreacher)

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Betsy
You're exaggerating a bit about Harry's and Hermione's danger in 
PoA. (Some movie contamination perhaps?).

Alla:

Nope, no movie contamination , but thank you for asking. :-)

Betsy:

Dumbledore already knew that Buckbeack had been rescued.  He knew 
that no dead and/or mangled student bodies had been found following 
werewolf!Lupin's scampering off into the woods (which he does fairly 
quickly - and where Harry and Hermione were *not* waiting).  And he 
may well have had strong suspicions about who'd conjured the 
Patronus that saved Harry and Sirius down by the lake.  (One of 
Dumbledore's great strengths, I think, is his power of 
observation.)  Harry and Hermione were in very little danger that 
night, and I believe Dumbledore realized what had already been 
accomplished by time-traveling students.  All that was left was 
freeing Sirius.  Hardly a dangerous task when you've got a 
hippogriff on hand.


Alla:

Um, I really don't want to get into mechanics of Time travel 
posting, but no, I think that Harry and Hermione were in a great 
deal of danger . Remember?

"you must not be seen. Miss Granger, you know the law - you know    
what is at stake... You - must- not-be -seen" - PoA, p.393.

Dumbledore probably knew that H at H already travelled in time, since 
everything indeed happens on the same timeline, but it does not mean 
that it could not go very wrong, IMO.

Besides, even though I don't want to get into time travel mechanics, 
it must have started somewhere,don't you think?

I mean, this Dumbledore knows that it happens but somewhere on the 
timeline future Dumbledore must have made this decision initially, 
right? When nothing was clear yet.

Betsy: 
As to Dumbledore "letting" Harry compete in GoF, you're ignoring 
canon.  Harry was bound by a magical contract.

"He's got to compete.  They've all got to compete.  Binding magical 
contract, like Dumbledore said." (OotP scholastic hardback p. 278)

Dumbledore had no choice, otherwise Harry would have been withdrawn 
from the competition immediately.  I think Dumbledore was quite 
pleased with Harry's performance in the first two tasks (and why 
shouldn't he have been?), but he was not happy that someone had 
manipulated Harry into competing. 


Alla:

Hmmm, I was just about to say that you snipped the part of my post, 
where I said that I know about magical contract, but then I reread 
my post and realised that I rearranged it quite a few times and did 
not include that part.

So, my bad and here is my response. Yes, I know about magical 
contract. NO, I don't believe that nothing could have been done to 
get Harry out anyways. Why? because we have hints in the books, IMO, 
which show that loopholes in the law of WW could be found often. 
Arthur and his use of muggle artifacts for example? it is just 
speculation of course.

Betsy:
And since you've conceded that Dumbledore does not equal God 
hopefully you'll cut him a break here. <g>

Alla:

Actually, when I concede the point, I clearly state so. I did 
nothing of the sort here. :-)

I said that Dumbledore was not G-d, but this point was not debated, 
so there was nothing to concede, IMO.


JMO,

Alla