Harry a Horcrux?

Szehms zehms at aol.com
Thu Nov 3 18:38:06 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 142459

I am new to this site, I do think Harry is not a horcrux, but 
continue to be charmed by the mystique of the Harry as a horcrux 
theory.  So I will defend the theory as a devil's advocate and in 
the spirit of the Socratic method.

While most of my thoughts are only "my thoughts and guesses" I try 
to make educated guesses.  

I can only make this assumption: If Harry is a horcrux, that 
portion of Voldemort's soul lies dormant inside him unless it is 
triggered. Only when Lord Voldemort's presence is near or his 
emotions are aroused does the scar burn-the scar is an "alarm 
bell" it burns and causes pain to Harry signaling the presence of 
Voldemort or LV emotions when they are particularly acute. 

It is true Harry felt as if his scar was going to "burst open" 
when he was possessed by LV because the alarm bell was raging full 
force. When LV possesses Harry "Harry did not know where his body 
ended and the creature's began. They were fused together.."

But they could not remain fused because when Harry thought of 
Sirius his heart filled with Joy, Hope and love. SO it appears that 
Voldemort CANNOT survive in his last "horcrux" as long as Harry's 
soul and being is side by side with Voldemort's, so I guess you 
could say "one cannot live while the other lives.." sound familiar? 

However, I would venture to say that there are very few who 
Voldemort could possess for any length of time
that is why he 
created horcruxes in objects.  Could Voldemort possess Hermione or 
Ron, NO, for the same reasons he cannot fully possess Harry, the 
difference is that they do not have a scar that burns intensely, 
and that is the key.

You are probably thinking "aha" exactly, Voldemort cannot possess 
a human very long so why make a human a horcrux!  I would agree, 
Voldemort probably did not desire to make a human horcrux because 
1) it looks like it has never been done, so 2) who knows what the 
consequences would be, Voldemort's greatest fear would likely be 
transferring his powers to someone else and therefore GIVING 
SOMEONE ELSE THE TOOLS TO DEFEAT HIM.  Also a human is weak, a 
human dies, then what would happen to the horcrux?

This question leads me to another
.if the horcrux were attempted 
on a human, would it attach to the body or the soul
? No one knew 
but I think we now know, the horcrux would attach to the essence 
of the person, essentially splitting the soul, sharing it with 
another
Voldemort would not want this, wouldn't doing this give 
that person the power to defeat him, give him the abilities that 
only the great Lord Voldemort, the heir of Slytherin, possesses?  

Let us move on for a minute and answer these questions later
.
let's revisit the one Horcrux we DO know about and that Harry 
destroyed...


You see in COS a portion of the soul resided in the object of a 
diary, however it was simply a vessel waiting to be filled, a 
trigger waiting to be pulled, the Horcrux when in an object does 
not have a mind of its own, it needs an accomplice, the diary 
needed Ginny's soul, maybe a "soul exchange." Tom riddle 
materialized more and more the closer to death she became, 
eventually her death would have made the process complete. 

So again, in order for the Horcrux to be activated and used to 
house Voldemort's soul, it appears a soul must be sacrificed. 
If Harry were a horcrux would not Voldemort have only to destroy 
Harry's soul to reclaim Harry as a horcrux ? Then it wouldn't 
matter if Harry was filled with love
.But how can he destroy 
Harry's soul and still retain the portion necessary for him?  

I thought about this theory
 Let's see what can keep a person 
alive yet suck out its soul with a simple kiss.....hmmm.....a 
dementor maybe????  But the dementor would take Voldemort's soul 
with it, so this probably isn't the way for Voldemort to go.


But hey, all we know for sure and we can all agree on is 
that "Voldemort put a bit of himself" in Harry and no one, not 
even Dumbledore knows how it happened. I think the connection can 
be explained via a horcrux.  

I can't help but wonder how Harry knew what to do in COS. How did 
he, a 2nd year at Hogwarts, know how Tom Riddle? 
"While Harry was sure he had never heard the name T.M. Riddle 
before, it still seemed to mean something to him, almost as though 
Riddle was a friend he had had when he was very small, and had 
half-forgotten"...
(COS)

How did he SOMEHOW know how to destroy the horcrux?
"Then without thinking, without considering, as if he meant to do 
it all along, Harry seized the basilisk fang on the floor..." (COS) 
How did Harry know parseltongue? Why did the sorting hat see the 
mind and talents of a Slytherin inside of Harry? 
You can say that somehow the backfiring of the Avada curse gave 
Harry a bit of Voldemort, but isn't that in essence a horcrux? 

I think it is back in the vestiges of his mind is Voldemort, lying 
dormant with just a small piece of a soul that can only become 
whole when the horcrux is properly activated. 

I think it is correct to assume Voldemort cannot fully possess 
Harry, but a horcrux isn't a simple possession, I think it is a 
small deposit, Voldemort's actual soul or original soul can only 
possess the weak, like Quirrell, or simple animals and rodents..

Activating a horcrux I think we will find is more complex than 
mere possession. And regarding Nagini, In GOF Harry sees the death 
of the muggle I think through Nagini, Lord Voldemort turns to face 
Harry at the end of the dream/vision and Harry wakes up, I think 
he again was viewing the muggle death through Nagini's eyes, 
although it was not quite as vivid as the vision with Arthur. Also 
the snake seemed to be following orders..." Harry (Nagini) longed 
to bite the man but he must master the impulse he had more 
important work to do..." Harry also said "I was the snake..I saw 
it all from the snake's point of view" Snape would not tell 
Harry...  oh, it's because you and Nagini and Voldemort are 
horcruxes with a soul connection...Harry didn't even know about 
the prophecy at that point.

If it can be demonstrated that Harry also has a connection with 
Nagini then Harry is very, very likely a horcrux
the connections 
are just too strong to be anything but a soul connection
but again this is speculation
.
 
I would like to end this long posting with this passage:
"A tiny puff of pale green smoke issued from the minuscule silver 
tube at the top...after a few seconds the tiny puffs became a 
steady stream of smoke....a serpents head grew out of the end 
(Voldemort) opening its mouth wide...the smoke serpent, however, 
split itself instantly into two snakes...(Voldemort splits its 
soul with Harry)..with a look of grim satisfaction DD gave the 
instrument another gentle tap...."
That night Voldemort split a piece of his soul with Harry, why did 
DD say "in essence divided" does that mean that they are connected 
but in essence divided, that neither can live with the other 
(neither can possess the other), why the look of grim satisfaction? 
I can only guess...

I think Lily and James protected Harry more than anyone realizes, 
that is why no one can explain it...I think they merely wanted 
Harry to be able to survive were Voldemort to try to kill him (and 
they knew that whenever Voldemort wanted someone dead, he got his 
wish, no one ever survived LV before).
What did they do? How did their actions "split Voldemort's soul" 
combining it with Harry's, how was this horcrux created? 
We can only speculate... 

 I think the million dollar question is how can a thinking feeling 
human with love inside him be a vessel for Voldemort, how can that 
person have a piece of Voldemort's soul
?

But I ask how can they be so connected? Why the illustration of 
the snake that splits into two "together but in essence divided?"  
What other explanation is there for the deep and profound 
connection?  Why can only one live? Could it be that only one soul 
can survive because of the horcrux theory?

 "Szehms" 










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