Through the Veil (Was: The Iron Fist of Will - (more) additional thoughts)

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 142465

bboyminn wrote:
<snip> Now Sirius came through the Veil under special circumstances
too. His spirit didn't pass through after he was dead; he went through
as a fully living being; body, mind, and spirit all still merged
together; fully alive and fully functional. Further more, Sirius's
body still remains behind the Veil. The way for Sirius to have died
properly would have been for his spirit to join the land of the dead,
while his body fell out of the other side of the Veil, back into the
physical world.
> 
> Perhaps, Sirius is trapped by his /special circumstances/ behind the
Veil. It's a stretch, but perhaps as a single body or a single spirit,
he can not cross the boundary between the living and the dead. That
is, he can't cross back over to the land of the living as a single
body/spirit. Admittedly I am reaching here for an explanation, and am
coming up with a relatively weak one, but I can't be expected to have
all the answers.
> 
> So, the solution is for Sirius to touch Voldemort. That leaves Harry
a path into another body without having to spend any time not sharing
a body. Once, we can speculate, Harry's body stands on its own, it is
vulnerable to death, or vulnerable to being trapped behind the Veil as
Sirius is. But by moving to Sirius's body with no 'in-between' time,
he remains safe. With Harry in control and his own body protected,
Harry marches Sirius's body out from behind the Veil. On the living
side of the Veil, Harry separates from Sirius and they are both very
much alive and safe. Although, it is possible to speculate that
Sirius's body will drop dead when Harry exists it, that's just a
detail and one I can live with. <snip>


Carol responds:
I like this solution because it unites the possession theory with
another important thematic element, the Veil and the spirits beyond
it, and because it allows Harry to defeat Voldemort without using an
AK and without dying himself. 

But I don't think that Harry can restore Sirius Black to life. JKR has
made it clear that Black is dead and that there was "a reason why [he]
had to die." If he is in fact "properly dead," his soul would have to
remain beyond the Veil when (improperly dead) Harry, using Black's
body as a temporary container for his own soul, steps outside the
Veil. And once Harry's soul left that body, it (the body) would
finally be available for a funeral and Harry could say good-bye to
Sirius as he did to Dumbledore. 

This scenario would very effectively demonstrate "why Sirius had to
die," providing a better thematic/plot reason than the mere loss of a
mentor for those who are having trouble accepting it. (I personally
think that his death, like Cedric's and Dumbledore's, already serves
an important thematic purpose in helping prepare Harry for the reality
of war and loss that he must fully understand before he can take the
burden of saving the WW onto his own shoulders, but then I'm not an
adherent of SAD DENIAL).

So the pieces fit nicely together: We have Harry triumphing over
Voldie through Love, fulfilling the Prophecy without dying himself;
the Veil playing the key role many of us thought it would; and Harry
seeing Sirius again without any restoration to life of a "properly
dead" character (which would violate the laws of the Potterverse).
Dumbledore and the other dead mentors could also have a small but
satisfactory role, and Harry would see that death really is "the next
great adventure" and not something to fear. (DD was right and LV was
wrong. Hooray!) 

But where does the locked room come in? Surely it should fit into the
picture somewhere? And what about Snape, who is supposed to have a
crucial role to play in Book 7?

Carol, who hopes it will be Snape who tells Harry to possess Voldemort
and walk through the Veil