The Possibilities of Grey Snape/Dumbledore/Harry

lupinlore bob.oliver at cox.net
Tue Nov 15 22:13:50 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 143080

Steve wrote:
<SNIP>
> I think Snape very much resent being placed in the 'Judas' 
> role. In killing Dumbledore, Snape has set the wizard world 
> against him for all time. Even if Snape can come up with a 
> reasonable explanation of the circumstances, in the end, the 
> wizard world will never forgive him.
> So, Snape is well aware that in destroying Dumbledore, Snape 
> has destroyed himself even under the best of circumstances. 
> I think this is evident in Snape's reaction to being called a 
> coward by Harry. If Harry only knew the level of courage Snape 
> had just shown. If Harry only knew just how much Snape had 
> sacrificed for the sake of Dumbledore's Grand Plan, Harry 
> could never call him a coward. 

Lupinlore:
Oh dear, and here is the VERY thing that I think a lot of us 
(well, some of us anyway) find so hard to swallow about DDM!Snape.  
In his nobility and suffering, his bravery and willingness to 
destroy himself for Dumbledore's Grand Plan, he in effect becomes 
the hero of the series and Harry simply becomes a plot device, a 
way to set up the scene for Severus to undergo apotheosis and, 
Christ-like, crucify himself so that others might live.  And 
Harry can only watch in awe with tears streaming down his cheeks 
as waves of shame and humiliation at how he has misunderstood the 
noble Snape and the wonderful, wise plan of Dumbledore course 
through his unworthy body.  In awe, he bows his head in reverence 
and decides to dedicate his life to preserving the memory of 
Severus Snape, the hero whose bravery and decisions brought down 
Voldemort.

Nauseating, ain't it?


Steve:
<SNIP>
> I do believe that Snape, miserable a person as he is, is still 
> working Dumbledore Grand Plan, and is willing to continue to 
> work it regardless of the consequences to himself. Ultimately, 
> in the end, Snape will prove his worth. Though whether he will 
> live or die in the process is hard to determine. In one sense, 
> it would be a mercy for Snape to die redeeming himself. Like I 
> said, even with redemption and a REALLY good explanation, the 
> wizard world will never forgive Snape for killing Dumbledore.


Lupinlore:
And once again, the noble and Christ-like Severus takes up his 
cross, bearing the pain of rejection and humiliation so that 
James' unworthy son might rise to the heights of glory.  "Ah, 
forgive them readers, they know not what they do," he murmurs 
as he accepts his lot for the good of the Wizarding World.


Steve: 
> Some very critical points regarding Harry and the Dark Arts. 
> Yes, Harry has tried to use the Unforgivable Curses. I can't 
> help but wonder what JKR is up to with that. Is she simply 
> trying to show Harry as a flawed Hero? Is she forshadowing 
> something important? Enquiring minds want to know.

Lupinlore:
Do I hear strains of "Long, long, ago in a galaxy far, far away?"  
Of course, Harry hasn't completed his training as a Jedi... err, 
wizard, with Yoda... err, Dumbledore, so he may fall into the 
grip of the Dark Side... err, Dark Arts, unless he submits 
himself to the discipline of Hogwarts Jedi Academy... err, School 
of Witchcraft and Wizardry.

Steve:
> To some extent I blame Harry use of the Unforgivables on the
> incredibly poor training he has been given. If I had a kid that 
> I knew would have to face a terrible fate, I would have started 
> training him specifically to face that fate. <snip>


Lupinlore:
Uh huh.  Of course, after all of that, it isn't skills that are 
going to save him, but love.  Or maybe DD should have given him 
lessons in aggressive projection of affect (APOA in wizarding 
military terminology).


Steve: 
> Lately, I've been fantasizing that McGonagall will ask Harry 
> to continue the D.A. Club in the next book. Not necessarily 
> to come to Hogwarts as a student or a formal teacher, but to 
> simply drop by once a week and teach the D.A. Club. 
<snip>

Lupinlore:
That's a good plot hook.  I could see it happening easily.


Steve: 
> To the last point, while I have no proof or even sound 
> indications, I think Snape will be instrumental in helping 
> Harry. <snip>I really don't see Harry having either the skill 
> or resources to find and destroy the Horcruxes, 
<snip>.


Lupinlore:
My goodness, you don't have much faith in our hero, do you?

Steve:
> The only available candidate for that level of help is Snape. 


Lupinlore:
And so, having been given as a perfect offering for the life of 
the wizarding world, Our Lord and Savior Severus Snape comes 
forward to lift the unworthy and wormlike wretch Harry Potter 
into salvation, forgiving him his sins and ignorance and leading 
him through the Valley of the Shadow of Voldemort, where he 
shall fear no Horcrux, for his wand and his guidance shall 
comfort him, and surely Harry shall know his own ignorance and unworthiness for the rest of his days.

Lupinlore.










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