James Friends and Snapes choices WAS RE Bullying WAS: Re: Prodigal Sons

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 141076


Valky wrote:
> > So my assessment of James generally a nice guy, who deliberately 
> > and openly sets himself against things that he thinks are wrong  
> > and evil.
> > His groups of best friends - A Werewolf, a Blood Traitor, and a
> > virtual Squib.  
> 
> colebiancardi says:
> Peter is not a Squib.  Not even a virtual one.  He can change his 
> form to an animal, he was able to be the secret keeper, he blasted a 
> street full of muggles, and stayed hidden as a rat for 12 years.  He 
> also was able to escape Sirius when caught again.  I think Peter is 
> a lot of things, but a Squib?

Valky:
lol, yeah you're right, but I think we can say the a similar thing
about Neville Longbottom, now, down the track some, that weve seen he
is not really that hopeless, and one day he might even turn out to be
really quite good, but when Neville first arrived, he was a virtual
squib, and that reputation has stuck with him even though he has
improved quite a bit since then. 

It seems to be similar with Peter, he got better at magic, but his
reputation stuck with him, even Sirius who knew him the whole time was
shocked and amazed at the getaway Peter managed for himself. 

So when I say virtual squib, I kind of mean as a new arrival at
Hogwarts he was, I gather, really squiblike and later he was squiblike
by reputation only, he hid the rest really well.
 
> 
> >Valky:  
> > Dumbledore offers him a hard choice, that suits
> > his essential neutral character and turns it to the fight for 
> > good. Snape is an excellent double agent. It was a Hard choice to 
> > be a spy for the Order, the losing team, as so many have pointed 
> > out, but it was an easy choice for Snape to be a spy, because that 
> > is his true person. 
> > 
> 
> colebiancardi: 
> 
> but Snape was already a spy for Voldemort at the time he switched
> sides.  So, how was that an easy choice for him, already being a 
> spy, to turn and spy for Dumbledore, the *losing team* at the time?  
> Since Snape was already a spy, <snip>

Valky:
I think we have crossed wires on this. I am not sure if you're
misreading me or if I am misreading you. I'll try to clarify.
I think that being a spy (of sorts) is in Snapes nature. It's an easy
choice for him to decide to spy in itself, for any reason that crosses
his mind. And he's very good at it because of his excellence in taking
control of, handling, and manipulating his environment. 

But spying for the order, genuinely spying for Dumbledore, is a hard
choice to make, he would set himself against his friends by doing it,
and he does seem to still genuinely like the Malfoys. It would take
for him to act purely on his belief in thoroughness, order and
diligence, and truly admit that the people he has liked are out of
order, that it is not diligent to help Voldemort's band of followers,
his (Snape's) companions. That is the difficult choice that according
to Dumbledore he made genuinely, and according to others, he appears
to have not made IMO.

Valky:
All we need to know now is whether Snape made the hard choice
> > or the easy choice, <snip>. I lean towards hard choice now, myself, 

colebiancardi:
> > <g>I also lean towards the hard choice, but not
> because being a spy is in his true nature.  
> 
> not arguing, just pointing out a couple things
> 
> great post, BTW
> 
> colebiancardi

Valky:
Thanks :D
I will save the details for another post, but one nagging reason in
the back of my mind that makes me think Snape must have made the hard
choice was that he looks to have killed Dumbledore. To be honest I
don't think *anyone* could have done that without the sincere efforts
of Dumbledore himself helping it along. 

Valky