Bullying WAS: Re: Prodigal Sons

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 141169


> > Valky:
> > I think Sirius might have been all but suicidal/homicidal  
> > before he met James, <snip>
> 
> a_svirn:
> And afterwards he discarded suicidal which left only homicidal. 
> Maybe he would have been better off befriending someone else after 
> all? 

Valky:
Cute, a_svirn. :P I personally disagree with Snapes interpretation of
Sirius' intentions with the prank, he's definitely coloured that IMO.
OTOH Pettigrew, well that was long afterwards, and who could blame
him. <g>

> 
> > Valky:
> > In POA MacGonagall gives us the canon that refutes this statement
> > Betsy. Nobody thought Peter was anything of a wizard. 
> 
> a_svirn:
> McGonagall is only *one* person, surely? Besides "everybody" can by 
> disastrously wrong at times. One of the history lessons. Pettigrew 
> certainly was wizard enough to best Sirius and bring the Dark Lord 
> back to power.

Valky:
In any case, I think we have enough reason to belive that Pettigrew
was pretty useless as a wizard to begin with. People, obviously,
didn't notice him improve, they all seemed sure he was harmless and
thick as two short planks. How about his OWL answers to recognising a
werewolf, I mean 'tufty tail?' lol, he sure 'looked' useless enough.

 
> > 
> > Valky:
> > James and Sirius most likely protected
> > him in the beginning.
> 
> a_svirn:
> Most likely. And he most likely sucked up to them. And James most 
> likely enjoyed that.

Valky:
Yeah I agree James got a hit out of being admired, that was definitely
his major downfall. And the main reason why I debate the pensieve
scenes. There are quite a few interpretations that really dismiss the
implications of this about James nature.
 
> 
> > 
> >  
> > Valky:
> > If James was picking on Snape because of his looks and isolation,  
> > then what meaning does "Snape was neck deep in Dark Arts and James  
> > always hated the Dark Arts" have, except to argue point blank that 
> > Sirius and Lupin are a pair of liars.
> > 
> >
> a_svirn:
> To pick on someone simply because they like something you don't is 
> just as bad as picking on them because of their looks and 
> loneliness. 


Valky:
Well you know, I never said it was any better. However, James
definitely thinks the former of Snape most of all, and not the latter,
I am sure, and that is my point, the pensieve scene does not clearly
represent this about James, but we know that it matters because of
what Lupin and Sirius tell Harry. Unless they are lying, then the
pensieve scene, at face value, is not the straight story on James and
Snape.

a_svirn:
> As 
> for telling lies, Lupin is adept in that. He has lied outright and 
> by omission his life throughout.

Valky:
Hmm, okay, that seems fair. I actually question Lupins words in that
scene myself, such as his ommission of the details of Snapes attacks
on James. OTOH I don't question Sirius' words he's absolutely honest
to the core IMO, and 'James hated the Dark Arts' were Sirius' words.


Valky