Nature of Dark Magic - Imperius and AK
ellecain
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Sat Oct 8 14:33:27 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 141306
> >
> > bboyminn:
> ><snip>>
> > I think it
> > is the ability to draw on your own internal well of evil which
then in
> > turn 'fuels' the Killing Curse. The Darkness is in being able to
draw
> > that much evil intent/fuel from within yourself. It is this well
of
> > fuel that powers the spell and creates the /darkenss/, and not an
> > outward intent to do harm.
Elyse: I've been reading this interesting thread and while I've
really got nothing illuminating to add, I have a couple of questions
concerning intention in Unforgivable curses.
According to bboyminn, the Avada Kedavra needs 'fuel' which is
presumably an internal well of evil within yourself.
Neri's hypothesis was that in order to produce a successful AK, you
need the intention to hurt. I like both ideas and I remember a few
excellent posts a while back postulating that what makes an AK work
is the life force you use to overcome your victim's life force.
So my question is, when anybody under Imperius is forced to commit
murder, what happens? We have canon implications that an AK can be
cast succesfully by someone who has been Imperiused and has no idea
of what he/she is doing.
Karkaroff says Mulciber specialised in the Imperius curse
and "forced countless people to do horrific things".
Sirius says " Avery wormed his way out of trouble by saying hed been
acting under the Imperius curse" ; something Malfoy did as well.
My point is, if you do need a certain degree of intention involved
to cast an AK, if you really have to draw a large amount of fuel
from the well of evil within, how come people under Imperius are
able to do so?
If it is the intention that counts, logically the AK should not
work, as the caster has no control over his or her own will. It is
not his will that his victim die, and the AK should malfunction.
If it requires tapping into the well of evil, I dont see how this is
feasible under Imperius conditions. If you could summon that amount
of dark anger/hatred/willpower inside you , surely you can throw the
Imperius off, right? And as for making an evil choice with a Dark
Curse like AK, how can you do so when you are incapable of free will
in the first place?
In GoF, Krum is able to Crucio Diggory under Imperius. I doubt he
chose to do i, and I dont think he had any grudge against Diggory
for Krum to *want* to hurt him that much. I dont think he got any
particular pleasure out of watching him suffer either. Yet Bella
says that these are the particular reqirements for a Crucio to be
successful.
And as for Unforgivables requiring a powerful bit of magic, Krum
could Crucio Diggory with apparent ease. Malfoy says Dark Arts are
actually taught at Durmstrang. Does this mean that the students are
taught to harness the evil within? Are they actively encouraged to
choose evil and do they practise the intention to harm as homework?
I think a definitive piece of canon is reqired to define Dark Magic
and what the creation requires.
Just me wondering here
Elyse
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