Trial of Severus Snape /Harry IS Snape./A cold equation (LONG)

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 141455

> Alla:
> 
> LOL! That was really funny the way you put it, Pippin. Snape, 
> ordering out for pizza, I mean. But no, I don't think that it would 
> necessarily be a give away to DE because I am not suggesting that 
> Snape should cast it on the Tower, but while he is being on the way. 
> I think he could have figured out that situation is really bad, no? 
> Besides do we know for sure how fast Patronus is? I think it is 
> really fast, personally.
> But this was just one of the options and I think I may come up with 
> some other speculations for Snape having options. :-)

Pippin:
I hope so. Because as of now, you think it's unrealistic that Snape
could realize that Dumbledore was in dire straits as soon as he
saw him, whether through legilimency or other means, but  you
want Snape  to realize that Dumbledore needs help
even *before* he  arrives at the tower and discovers Dumbledore
is there. 

The Order did not know that Dumbledore was out horcrux hunting,
they had no idea that he was going to show up too weak to fight; 
if anything they would expect him to save the day as he did at the 
Ministry. 

> Alla:
> 
> Thanks for the examples. I  think I am with Nora on this one. I 
> don't think we have an example of anybody else receiving dialogs in 
> their head except Harry, and I am not sure that was Legilimency, but 
> more like Harry's special connection with Voldie.

Pippin:

Dumbledore  says, through Snape, that the visions are legilimency. 
The theory that the visions might not be legilimency at all made 
sense as long as we were trying to explain why Harry's attempts at
occlumency didn't block them, but we know now that Harry is 
emotionally incapable of occlumency and that Voldemort is not. 

Dumbledore's mistakes are emotional mistakes. Although he 
could make a technical mistake about magic, he's most unlikely to
do so -- that point was made in GoF. If he thinks the visions are
legilimency, then that's what they are, IMO.

What seems to happen is that when Voldemort is concentrating
very hard on something outside himself  (the approach of Frank
Bryce as sensed through Nagini, the owl bearing the message from
Crouch, the passage at the DoM, the revelations from Rookwood)
Harry is able to pick up on that and receive not just thoughts and
feelings but the entire sensory gestalt. Once Voldemort realized
that, he was able to concentrate on the passage at the DoM, sense
Harry's presence in his mind, and relay the false vision of Sirius.

The only thing unique to Harry and Voldemort, according to canon,
is that they can sense each other at a distance. But Snape and
Dumbledore are standing face to face.

Alla:
 So, no I am not  sure at all that DD would have been able to pull of the 
same trick,  unless of course you are saying that DD has special connection 
with  Snape via Snape's hidden scar ( just kidding of course :-))
> 
Pippin:
But Dumbledore *has* an unusual scar...I wonder. Seriously though,
the point is made constantly in HBP and the other books that Voldemort's 
talents, though some of them are rare, are not unique to him. It might
suit Dumbledore's purpose to let Voldemort think that he can transmit
conversations only to Harry, because it wouldn't be good to let the
Dark Lord find out how he can give silent orders to his people. 

Dumbledore is certainly devious enough to exploit this power for his
own ends while endeavoring to keep it secret from Voldemort.

Pippin