Dumbledore's pleading - Forgive and Forget, or Not

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 141478

  
> Renee:
> > The explanation would be, that DD willingly sacrifices himself. 
> > ...edited...
> > But Snape remains a killer, whether he AKs DD or blasts him 
> > over the parapet.

> bboyminn:
>...edited.... In the end, no matter how you slice it and dice it,
> Snape killed Dumbledore. <snip>


Valky:
I disagree that this makes sense in the tower. If all that is required
is for Snape to finish Dumbledore by his hand, a coup de grace or a
sacrificial casualty of war, then Dumbledore could as well die on the
floor of the Tower as on the ground outside. But Snape blasted him
from the Tower. Dumbledore didn't die from AK, wether Snape cast a
real one without the power behind it to kill or cast a fake altogether
remains to be seen, but we know that the green light and the Avada
Kedavra spell is no conclusive cause of death in this case, five cases
tell the story, dead sentients do NOT fly they DROP like a stone where
they are hit. So we go, that if Severus Snape did not cast a full
intensive killing curse but instead something that blasted DD
over/through the ramparts, then Why? 

One thing is for sure, if he did it intentionally then he is *not* a
killer. It comes down to Dumbledore's choice the moment he is in the
air. Fawes did not catch him, so Dumbledore's choice is clear and
Snape is vindicated of his responsibility therewith.  

Now I ask those clever listees who have whiled away much effort to
reconstruct the Tower scene from the angles of triage, cold equations
and choices of lesser evil, to consider -

The same scene, the same danger, the same sacrifice. And
Snape/Dumbledore choose not for Snape to deliver a lethal blow, but to
send Dumbledore over the edge of the tower where he *dies secretly and
unseen*, his body comes to rest far from the reach of the vileness it
was once surrounded by. What are they doing?



> Jen wrote:
> Carol made the very interesting point in post #141420
> that "Dumbledore's big mistake, in my view, was in flying to the
> tower, right into the DE's trap, instead of sending Harry for Snape
> as he originally intended."
>
> I believe this was not a mistake, and in fact, supports the idea
> Dumbledore very much understood his own sacrifice might be required.
> He went to the one place he *knew* he would be found, and in fact,
> his order for Harry to leave him and find Snape was not intended so
> Snape could bring him an antidote or help fight the DE's, but to get
> Harry out of the way when the DE's and Darco ascended the tower. If
> Dumbledore had his way, I suspect neither Snape nor Harry would have
> been on the tower that night at the moment of his death, but fate
> required both to be present in a metaphorical sense.
>
Carol responds:
I like this a lot, actually, both your tower interpretation and your
argument that flying to the tower isn't a mistake. It fits with what
KJ (I think) said about the argument in the forest: Dumbledore thought
he could make the sacrifice without Snape having to kill him and Snape
thought DD took too much for granted. As I read it, Snape feared,
rightly, that the UV and the DADA curse together would force *him* to
sacrifice Dumbledore and he didn't want to have any more to do with
that idea. But Dumbledore seems to have reminded him of a promise to
obey, very similar to Harry's, however unwilling he was to do so.


Valky:
I like what you're saying here, too, Jen. Besides, I think it's given
that Dumbledore didn't mistakenly walk into the trap but knowingly and
preparedly, by his saying to Draco "Yes, and No."

Dumbledore quite clearly tells us, Draco *thought* Dumbledore would
rush to the Tower to see who had been killed and that it worked, but
it had *not* worked. Dumbledore was not there by mistake.

He also says that he has known Draco was trying to kill him all year,
but he didn't approach Draco for he knew it would be instant death for
Draco and his family, and further he tells Harry straight to the
point, that *all* of this, Draco's mission, Snapes UV, it's all
*unimportant* on the scale of things. He's dealt with it. 

Dumbledore *had* a plan for these things, and his death was certainly
part of it, it's *not* contrived or unbelievable, as some say. It's
Dumbledore's own words.

I really love how Jen writes that destiny had brought Snape and Harry
to the Tower that night although Dumbledore may not have willed it so.
<g> I do like the thought that JKR brought this such element into the
story on the tower.

Valky