Dumbledore's pleading (longish)

zgirnius zgirnius at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 12 01:33:52 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 141479

> lupinlore wrote:
> And herein is where this whole self-sacrifice scenario falls 
> apart. The idea that Snape and Dumbledore cooked up this 
> possibility in advance is thoroughly unbelievable.  

I entirely agree. But the sacrifice scenario does *not* require 
advance planning. The circumstances are absolutely awful, and not at 
all anticipated by either Snape or Dumbledore. As has been argued 
elsewhere, within those awful circumstances, it might make sense for 
DD to sacrifice himself.

> lupinlore wrote:
> And it would require a communication between 
> Snape and DD on the tower that would be absolutely contrived and 
> unbelievable, whether they are using Legilemency, words, hand-
> signals, mental images, coded eyebrow movements, foot-taps, 
> whistles, bird-calls, color-coded garments, decoder rings, snatches 
> of popular songs, manipulation of aetheric vibrations, fingernail 
> scratching, alteration of Kirlian Auras, post-hypnotic suggestion, 
> behavioral triggers encoded in mathematical variants of voice tone, 
> tooth clicks, nose wagging, pre-agreed word combinations, 
> astrologically encoded messages indicated by wand angles pointed at 
> stars, a hidden scar on Snape's forehead, a hidden scar on DD's 
> forehead, a wrinkle in time created by pre-deployment of time-
> turners, mental manipulation of the Einsteinian space-time 
> continuum, subtle references to the non-Euclidean geometry of the 
> tower stones encoded in the arc of DD's fingertips, and any other 
> form of communication, possible or impossible, magical or mundane, 
> ever invented or to be invented, ever envisioned or imagined by any 
> person, being, intelligence, or denizen of any planet, star, 
> dimension, world, or plane of existence in any time or space or 
> existance either within or without of the timestream as we do or do 
> not understand it.

I take it this is an aesthetic judgement. Legilimency was previously
rejected by both you and eggplant in separate threads on the grounds 
that it would be cheating by JKR, in the sense that it would involve 
using magic in a way not previously established in canon. That, on 
the contrary, the possibility *is* established was the gist of posts 
such as mine and Carol's (141428). If you think that would 
nonetheless be unbearably cheesy, well, we just see these things 
differently. I'm not so sure JKR is going there, but if she did I 
would find it entirely satisfying.

--zgirnius, who recognizes the truth of the old saying 
'De gustibus non est disputandum'







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