Dumbledore's pleading/What Horcruxes Dumbledore and Harry destroyed?

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No: HPFGUIDX 141481

Jen: 
Well see, now the moment is ruined ;). I wanted to savor my 
> character moment, the last between these two men who have shared a 
> long history together, much of which Harry and we know little 
about, 
> without addressing exactly what passed between them.


Alla:

Ooops, sorry, did not mean to ruin anything. :-) But much as I love 
poignancy and do read first and foremost for characters and then 
for  the plot , I agree with whoever said that in this particular 
situation I would like to know what exactly this character moment 
was all about. :)



Jen:
<SNIP>
> I believe this was not a mistake, and in fact, supports the idea 
> Dumbledore very much understood his own sacrifice might be 
required. 
> He went to the one place he *knew* he would be found, and in fact, 
> his order for Harry to leave him and find Snape was not intended 
so 
> Snape could bring him an antidote or help fight the DE's, but to 
get 
> Harry out of the way when the DE's and Darco ascended the tower. 
If 
> Dumbledore had his way, I suspect neither Snape nor Harry would 
have 
> been on the tower that night at the moment of his death, but fate 
> required both to be present in a metaphorical sense.


Alla:

Jen, you write SO beatifully. Your posts are always a joy to read, 
because even if I disagree with  the idea, it presented so well, 
that I can see it. So, I am not sure how I feel about other points 
you raised, but I want to ask for clarification on this particular 
point.
As I said, I buy self sacrifice idea, but are you absolutely sure 
that this is what Dumbledore intended.

I snipped your reference to Carol's post where she argues that 
flying to Tower was a mistake on DD's part, but even though I agree 
with you that DD knew what he was doing, don't you think that it is 
possible that Dumbledore flied to Tower PRECISELY because he 
intended to survive.

It would have been SO much easier to die if he stayed in Hogsmeade, 
IMO, NO?

Especially if you are arguing that DD did not want either Snape or 
Harry to be there.

Just send Harry away, especially since DD specifically made Harry 
promise to leave him  if he says so, and Dumbledore can die in peace.
Why go to Tower in the first place, if Dumbledore is planning to 
sacrifice himself?

I still think though that Dumbledore was talking to Draco as someone 
who intended to be in charge of hiding him and his family if needed, 
NOT as someone who intended to drop dead the minutes after.

To close I just want to say how much I enjoyed reading your post. 
Thank you.


> ibchawz responds:
> 
> Which TWO horcruxes did Dumbledore retrieve / destroy?  I only 
know 
> of ONE that Dumbledore has retrieved / destroyed - The ring 
horcrux.  
> Harry actually destroyed the diary horcrux and he did this before 
he 
> even knew about Horcruxes.
> 
<SNIP>


Alla:

Sorry for being unclear. I meant getting the Horcrux from the 
cave,which DD and Harry managed together, I guess, but still DD was 
in charge.

And you are right of course - Harry destroyed diary horcrux, which 
almost cost him his life. 
That brings me back to my belief that Dumbledore WOULD abandon his 
unwilingness to beg to his life in order to help Harry in horcrux 
hunt.


JMO,

Alla