Bagman as Loyal Death Eater and Big Blond
justcarol67
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Fri Oct 14 22:12:53 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 141616
> Goddlefrood:
> Any we have met, other than Bagman?
Carol:
No, but we hadn't met the Carrows, Gibbon, or Yaxley, either. I admit
that I'm curious as to who the blond Death Eater is, but I've already
explained why I don't think it's Bagman. And I would hope that being
large and blond isn't grounds for arrest in the WW, corrupt though the
justice system clearly is.
> Goddlefrood:
> Sturgis is, as I recall from The Advanced Guard in OotP described as
> quite small.
Carol:
Sturgis is described as "a square-jawed wizard with thick
straw-colored hair" (49). Later IIRC Ron describes him memorably as
looking like his head has been thatched. Nothing about his size.
Admittedly, he's a long shot for the BBDE, but I still want to know
why we haven't heard from him since his release from prison. (As for
"quite small," you may be thinking of Dedalus Diggle, who is elsewhere
described as tiny.)
> Carol earlier:
> > Snape knows exactly at what point Voldemort summons the DEs to the
> > graveyard. So does Karkaroff, who runs away at exactly that point.
> Goddlefrood:
> Do they indeed? Snape shows his arm to Fudge later, but the point at
> which the DEs are summoned is not, to my recollection, stated.
Carol:
When Voldemort touches Wormtails's Dark Mark, he says that they will
all feel it and know that they've been summoned. I included a partial
quote in my previous post, but you snipped it, so here it is again in
slightly more detail:
"He pressed his long white finger to the brand on Wormtail's arm. . .
. Wormtail let out a fresh howl; Voldemort removed his fingers from
Wormtail's mark, and Harry saw that it had turned jet black. A look of
cruel satisfaction on his face, Voldemort . . . stared around at the
dark graveyard. "How many will be brave enough to return when they
feel it? . . ." (GoF Am. ed. 645). So clearly both Snape and Karkaroff
would know the exact point when they were summoned: the moment they
felt pain like Wormtail's as their own Dark Marks presumably burned black.
And Snape later says, ". . . When he touched the Dark Mark of any
Death Eater, were were to Disapparate, and Apparate, instantly to his
side. . . . Why do you think Karkaroff fled tonight? We both felt the
mark burn. . . ." (710, with more on Karkaroff's reasons for fleeing
and not a word about Bagman or about the risk Snape himself has taken
by remaining away).
> Carol:
> > Not all bad? He unquestionably sets fire to Hagrid's house (602)
> > and he apparently Crucios Harry (603).
>
> Goddlefrood:
> It is either Amycus or Alecto who Crucios Harry.
>
Carol:
I think the wording is more ambiguous (unlike the the part about the
fire, which is clearly the BBDE's doing):
"'Now *come*!' [Snape] shouted at the huge Death Eater behind Harry.
'It is time to be gone, before the Ministry turns up--'
"'Impedi--!'
"But before he could finish this jinx, excruciating pain hit Harry.
<snip the part where he thinks Snape cast it>
"'No!' roared Snape's voice. . . . "Have you forgotten our orders? We
are to leave him. . . . Go! Go!"
"And Harry felt the ground shudder as the brother and sister and the
enormous Death Eater obeyed" (603).
So while all three DEs are mentioned after the Crucio, only the huge
one is mentioned at the beginning of the scene. (BTW, Bagman is rather
large, but he has never been described as "huge.") The brother and
sister had tripped over each other as the result of Harry's
Impedimenta and had to catch up. The big DE has been on the secene
without them for two pages, fighting Hagrid and setting fire to his
house. The reference to Amycus and Alecto when Snape orders them to
leave is the first since they tripped over each other.
Godfroodle:
> Chin Chin
Carol:
Fijian for "Cheers"?
Carol, who found the goblin's name (Ragnok) when she wasn't looking
for it (OoP Am. ed. 85)
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