Dumbledore's pleading/What Horcruxes Dumbledore and Harry destroyed?

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 141654

 
Nora:
> The shippers regarded their approach to the books as reading facts. I 
> take it you're more inclined to seem them as, well...delusional? :)

Pippin:
I don't think I've ever called anyone delusional. Some arguments seem
to be based on subjective opinions rather than canon fact, but that's not
delusional, it's just not the way I approach the story.

Case in point, the anti-H/G case rested on the notion that Ginny
was simply too insignificant and too ordinary to be Harry's love interest -- 
those are *opinions* based on subjective judgement, not facts. If there 
were "facts" cited by the anti/HG crew to show that H/G could never 
happen I must have missed them, could you point me to a post?


Nora: 
> This is where I'd disagree.  Not every fact (in the sense 
> of 'observation of data') requires explanation, because not every 
> event in the series gets an explanation.

Pippin:
It needs an explanation if it contradicts something we already
know. We know the moon was already visible on the night of the
Shrieking Shack. We know that AK doesn't leave any sign. We didn't
know, in the same sense, that Luna was supposed to be on the
train. 
> 
> > An explanation consonant with guilty Snape or innocent Lupin can 
> > surely be contrived, but it will take just as much space as an 
> > explanation that isn't, and it won't move the plot forward at all, 
> > so why make it necessary in the first place?

Nora: 
> Guilty!Snape doesn't move the plot forward?  We all want to know why 
> he did it, and what he's been doing since.  Perhaps he even has a 
> special item or two with him.  Harry resolves the part of the plot 
> line that deals with Snape, and we go on.

Pippin:
The blood needs to be explained because it contradicts something we've
been told: AK doesn't cause any sign of damage. If the explanation is that the AK
killed him and Dumbledore bled posthumously, that doesn't move the 
plot forward. It's dramatically dead. If the explanation is that the AK
didn't work for some reason, that moves the plot away from Guilty!Snape.

Nora:
 But OFH!Snape knows the vagaries of the  world, and isn't going to ruin a good thing: 
sure, Dumbledore puts some restrictions on him, but on the other hand, given DD's 
 temperament, he's going to allow Snape to be Snape with considerable 
latitude.  Should anyone, someone resurface, Snapeykins is still in a 
nice place to be.

 See, that didn't take much ink.

Pippin:
*Nice*?  "If you are ready...if you are prepared." Whatever Snape was in for
that night,  nice had nothing to do with it. 
And Fudge showed no sign of wanting to throw Snape into Azkaban, either,  so what 
trouble was Snape trying to stay out of there?

Pippin