Which characters are dynamic?

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 141902

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lupinlore" <bob.oliver at c...> wrote:
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> > Pippin:
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> > Supposing that JKR did wish to indicate that the AK was possibly 
> fake and that conspiracy  or legilimency between Snape and Dumbledore, unknown to 
Harry, was  a possibility. What more  should she have done to suggest this without giving 
the game  away?
> > 
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> Lupinlore:
> Well, suggesting it isn't really the point.  The point is that such 
> contrivance, suggested or not, is incredibly cheesy.  "Oh, I'll show 
> this scene but manage to come up with some convoluted and 
> unbelievable way of completely turning the situation around so that 
> Harry is completely wrong about Snape (yet again) and Snape 
> completely in the clear."  

Pippin:
This list is the wrong place to look for people who quit reading the series after PoA, but 
judging  by the sales figures, the reading public did not abandon the series in disgust after 
the incredibly convoluted unbelievable way she completely turned the situation around so 
that Harry was wrong (once again) about Sirius and Sirius was completely in the clear
In fact many people consider it their favorite book, and admire the way in which JKR got 
Sirius off the hook, despite the fact that it depends on a character we'd known for two 
books turning out to be something completely other than what we'd imagined, not to 
mention time-travel.

 I might point out that Sirius wasn't completely whitewashed -- he still frightened Ron with 
a knife and broke his leg, attacked Harry, vandalized the Fat Lady, and did things to young 
Snape that he wasn't proud of. 

> Lupinlore:
, that he really HAS done something that serves Voldy's purposes (although maybe not for 
Voldy's reasons), and he is culpable for that.  But, unlike ESE!Snape, OFH!Snape believes 
that  when Snape was appearing to help Dumbledore, he really WAS helping 
Dumbledore (although maybe not for Dumbledore's reasons), and this  gives precedent 
that allows for him to redeem himself in the end,  although certainly at a very high cost.

Pippin:
Yeah, that's the part I don't get. Generally in redemption dramas, the worse the bad guy, 
the more dramatically powerful his redemption is. ESE!Snape I could see redeemed, DDM!
Snape doesn't need redemption, and the drama would be in Harry's struggle to accept him 
the way he is (which puts Harry, not Snape, at the center, no matter how Snape acquitted 
himself on the tower) but  OFH!Snape is just a weasel, and I don't care what happens to 
him. 

Anyway, most of the DE's are OFH by that definition. Only Barty Jr. was fighting for the rise 
of the Dark Forces, whatever they are, and he was clearly one or two figs short of a 
pudding.

Pippin