Snape 's story to Bella in Spinner's End WAS:Re: Snape and the blah-blah......

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No: HPFGUIDX 141998

> Christina:
> 
> I see this as, not quite a lie, but an exaggeration.  Do we have 
any
> evidence that Dumbledore was injured by the ring because of poor
> reflexes?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that injury
> could not have been avoided in Dumbledore's handling of the ring.


Alla:

Well, no, I don't think that we have such an evidence, but my point 
is that it is POSSIBLE that Dumbledore's injury happened in that 
manner. I don't think that we have an evidence that the injury was 
unavolidable either.

Here is what Dumbledore tells Harry about him going after the Ring.

"The ring, Harry. Marvolo's ring. And a terrible curse there was 
upon it too. Had it not been - forgive me for the lack of seemly 
modesty - for my own prodigious skill, and for Professor Snape's 
timely action when I returned to Hogwarts, desperately injured, I 
might not have lived to tell the tale. However, a withered hand does 
not seem an unreasonable exchange for a seventh of Voldemort's soul. 
The ring is no longer a Horcrux" - HBP, p.303

I interpret this quote that it was really hard for Dumbledore 
to "unhorcrux" the Ring, but I don't see here an evidence that 
nobody else could have handle it ( some hypothetical powerful 
wizard :-)) or that everybody who would have handled a ring would 
ahve been injured.


> 
> > Alla earlier:
> > Snape does not specify WHERE Dumbledore sustained such injury, 
but 
> > it could be because he himself has no clue, right? I think 
> > Dumbledore could have asked Snape to heal him without specifying 
> > what caused the injury.
> 
> Christina:
> 
> I suppose so, but I find it unlikely.  Whether Snape is on
> Dumbledore's side or not, Dumbledore trusts him completely, and I
> don't see why he would ask him to heal his injury without telling 
him
> what it was from.


Alla:

Again, my point is that it is POSSIBLE. Don't you think that if 
Dumbledore does not inform Mcgonagall of what he was doing with 
Horcruxes, it is likely that he would want to keep it a secret from 
Snape too, even if he indeed trusts Snape completely?

If for nothing else, than for Snape own safety, since if Voldie is 
that good a Legilimence, there is a danger that he could find out 
that interesting piece of information  and I don't know  screw up 
Dumbledore pl;ans really badly?

Going back to my original argument - I am only arguing that there is 
nothing in the quote I brought up UPTHREAD that could allows us to 
say with certainty that Snape is lying to Bella. Everything he says 
is IMO quite likely to be the truth, it can also be a lie of course, 
or half truths, etc, BUT I am just disagreeing with the argument 
that we know for SURE that Snape is lying to Bella, that is all.


> Christina:
> 
> Well, I can tell you what I personally find strange.  It has always
> bothered me that he took credit for Sirius's death.  I just don't 
see
> how he could have helped bring that about.  
<HUGE SNIP>


Alla:

Well, I am going to say the same thing, I suppose. Yes, we know that 
Kreacher went to Malfoys, BUT there is nothing in canon IMO which 
prevents us from speculating that Snape reiterated Kreacher's 
information to Malfoys. I would say that after HBP knowing how close 
Snape with Malfoys and especially with Narcissa, it makes such 
speculation even stronger. I can absolutely see Snape wispering this 
piece of information to dear Cissy ( about Harry loving Sirius more 
than anybody else) and Cissy passing it to Lucius and then to 
Voldemort




Christina:

>> ...And lying by omission is still lying, isn't it?
>

Alla:

Yes, but I did not say that I see Snape lying by omission in this 
scene, I can see him omitting things, but not lying by omission.

I should have probably used " Snape sometimes does not go into 
details" expression. There are could be couple of reasons of why he 
does so - he either does not know all the details himself, OR he is 
OFH! and does not want to tell all the details to Cissy and Bella , 
because it could be against his best interests.


JMO,

Alla