That wretchedly annoying UV again -DD/Snape
zgirnius
zgirnius at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 24 20:12:56 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 142044
> bboyminn wrote:
> So, I would ask those who support the DD/Snape UV idea, exactly
what
> would this Vow involve? If Snape swears loyalty to Dumbledore, then
> there is no way he can function effectively as a spy, which is the
> very job that Dumbledore will eventually need him to do. So, what
> could Snape swear that wouldn't interfer with potential future
tasks?
>
> Really, I don't see what Snape could possibly swear to that would
> assure his loyalty to Dumbledore and yet not interfer with his most
> important job as a spy. Keep in mind the HUGE difference between
> swearing a vow and swearing a UV.
>
> So, in my opinion, no DD/Snape UV.
zgirnius:
I would not be 100% surprised if it turned out that Snape did have a
UV with Dumbledore. I don't see it as something Dumbledore would ask
of Snape (or anyone else) but it does make sense to me as something
that Snape could conceivably have offered to a skeptical Dumbledore
as proof of his sincerity. (And there is that little bit where Snape
is instructing Bella in what she needs to do-has he seen one before?)
Though I would not go so far as to say I definitely believe this
theory...
First, a UV cannot ensure loyalty, you are totally right there IMO.
(Actually, almost by definition, loyalty enforced by a magically
binding contract is something else...) Obviously the wording would
have to be flexible, as you point out. For Snape to function as a spy
he would need to have some discretion to pass secrets on to
Voldemort, and perform services for him to protect his cover. So the
terms would need to be things that are either very specific and
limited in scope, or that are so fundamentally important from DD's
point of view that he would value them over protecting Snape's cover.
This would make the UV less of a guarantee of Snape's good behavior,
and more of a form of damage control, in the event it should prove
Snape is not trustworthy.
Possibilities:
1) To protect Harry specifically, and Hogwarts students generally,
from attacks by V and his supporters while at Hogwarts, through his
best efforts at prevention/protection, and by not in any way acting
to further such attacks himself. This can probably be vague enough to
allow Snape off the hook if he fails in any instance to do so due to
honest mistakes ("Moody"?), while presumably preventing him from
conspiring in any such attacks. Narcissa, at least, seems to believe
that a UV to do something to the best of one's ability has some
value... The point of this Vow would be that by accepting the offer
of Snape's service, DD is not placing his students in mortal danger.
Which I think he would value this above Snape's usefulness as a spy.
2) To reveal to Dumbledore all he learns about V and the DEs plans,
say, by the next time they meet for a debriefing. This would not blow
Snape's cover unless DD *acted* on such knowledge, DD could decide
for himself or in consulatation with Snape which information to act
upon. It would ensure that Snape would be of *some* use to DD as a
spy in that information would get passed on. And it would prevent V
from enjoying the misinformation benefits of using Snape as a double
agent, since a scheme to pass false information to DD via Snape would
in itself be a plan of Voldemort. Unless V fooled Snape himself.
Which would be a problem even with a 100% loya; DDMan!Snape.
3) Similarly, to keep secrets specified by Dumbledore. (For example,
if he knows them, the *details* of how a certain hand injury came
about...or, the identity of the Seer that told the Prophecy). This
would ensure secrets of critical importance to DD would not get out
via Snape.
I like to speculate that Hagrid might have been the Bonder in such a
Vow...love the image of Hagrid looming over both of them, pink
umbrella extended over theopr clasped hands...
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