Snape and Harry's Power/Mindlock and Fire/Air/Water: WAS Fire Air and Water

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 142262

Sorry for the lateness of the reply AyanEva. My son just turned nine! 
 
> AyanEva said:
>
> Maybe part of point of Snape goading Harry all along was to get a 
> rise out of Harry and see what exactly he was capable of? 


Valky:
Ahhh we agree on that one :D I hated it pre-HBP but have changed my
mind since, for several reasons, one of which is the fact that Snape
never once 'rounded on' Neville in HBP, and another is that he spent
almost his entire page time with Harry in *silence*, even seemingly
hushing people just to achieve it. That seems to say he found what he
was looking for IMO.







> >Valky:
> > And No because I don't think the character of Snape is intended to
> > fulfill any role of draining something from someone, that would be
> > Voldemort's territory, I would classify Snape far more passively 
> > than that. So in that sense he is not feeding in a literal way but 
> > rather observing, very keenly. 
> 
> 
> AyanEva again:
> Vampire!Snape rears it's head (only it's the emotion-feeding 
> Vampire).
> Yes, I'm joking, and no I don't believe that. Not anymore anyway...

Valky:
Oh woah!, maybe I was too hasty there! You could be onto something, in
the sense that the overgrown bat/vampire allusion *always did* have
abstract meaning. Lets analyse. In Book one Harry is told that Love
resides in his very skin, the gift of his mother's sacrifice, before
too long this is carried over into the all important protection he has
where Lily's blood dwells, finally it all spills over into the
prophecy as it pertains to Godrics Hollow and the power that the Dark
Lord knows not. Together it makes the simple analogy the power is
*blood* and *blood* is the power. So does it finally explain why JKR
hinted so strongly the Vampire!Snape ? The analogy can carry over to-
Snape thirsts for this power like a Vampire thirsts for blood, could
it not? 

AyanEva:
> *grin* Though, I'm still curious about all of the bat references.

Valky:
Me too, I would hate to dismiss something that consistent altogether,
but I did hesitate on Vampire!Snape.
 
>
> AyanEva:
> Wait, I'm confused about how the mindlock and lack of focus relate.

Valky:
No problem. Let's say for the sake of arguing it that Harry and Snape
became tangled up in each others minds during Occlumency. After Harry
saw into the pensieve Snape ignored him for the rest of the year
except for two or three moments (when Snape dropped Harry's potion, in
Umbridges office, and with Draco at the end.) In these three we do see
minimal interaction between them and we start to see vague hints of
them being better aware of each other. The hints are not strong, but
if JKR was going to carry over phenomenon from one book to other
again, like the thestrals, I am sure she'd want it to be minimally
unbelievable this time, so lets say the very vague hints of the
changed relationship are leading up to a kind of mind tangle between
them. I could be sounding ridiculous, but I'll keep up the line just a
little longer. The way I see it, if they became mind locked during
OOtP then it could easily be a dynamic evolving phenomenon that
reaches its peak around the end of HBP. I would guess that each time
they were together, the more Snape delved into Harry's thoughts and
feelings to gain the insight he wanted, and the more Harry projected
his thoughts and feelings at Snape the tighter they got locked into
it. So therefore during the battle between them at the end of HBP, the
personalness between Harry and Snape had almost consumed Harry's sense
pf perspective, narrowing his field of focus so that there was *only*
Snape. I would suspect, if there was anything to the mindlock theory,
then Snapes very prescence is consuming of Harry's focus this way.

Of course, I think this theory works best as a kind of model of their
emotional development rather than as top layer plotting, still it
looks cool either way IMO.





> AyanEva:
> Ok, you lost me. Can you rephrase this? I'm not sure what the theory
> is. [below]

Valky: No probs!

> 
> 
> >Valky:
> > but otherwise the strongest theory here is his loud aura
> > transmissions. Perhaps even getting louder when he chases Snape
> > because of his emotions there. 

All I mean here is that starting with your theory that Harry's aura
got loud after he pushed Voldemort out of his body (which I really
like btw), we assume that it is fuelled by emotions, so when Harry is
feeling emotional it is louder. Hence explaining how in the toolshed
full of spiders at the Weasleys Harry's emotions get stirred talking
about how he will fight to the death and Dumbledore starts being aware
of Harry's thoughts and feelings, and at the Hogwarts gates while
Harry fumes internally at Snape his thoughts and feelings start
becoming detectable, finally in the last battle scenes Harry is
obviously overwhelmed by emotion so of course Snape can hear every
word he thinks.

Valky:
> OTOH it is this scene that most
> > strongly pushes me to blend the three theories into a unified one,
> > where Harry's loud aura is a result of tapping into his power in 
> > an uncontrolled way,

Valky:
Again, I borrow from your theory that Harry's encounter with
possession sparked the power out of him, and as it is with most of
Harry's new powers, he doesn't control them well to begin with. So at
this stage, although he doesn't realise it this loud aura is a part of
his Love power and he is projecting it around unknowingly and
uncontrolledly through the year. He may or may not start to become
aware of it before too long, but at some stage he will have to harness
it, perhaps he will channel it to project in a similar manner to the
wand echoes in GOF. (I know there were some here who loved that
concept recently, and I suppose that it may be so.)


Valky:
> his sympathies crossed with his determination to
> never forgive Snape are causing fuzziness in it around Snape 

This is fairly straightforward once we clarify that this aura is
emotionally fuelled. Harry has both sympathies and anger when it comes
to Snape, in fact he has probably the *most* confused feelings of all
here, as it is Snape that comes between Harry and his love for his
father and Sirius, the confuddlement of Harry's feelings when it comes
to Snape would surely cause him mixed emotions. And it's also possible
that Snape now has mixed emotions about Harry after seeing ithin his
mind. So in this way it makes sense to imagine that they have tangled
themselves up in this shared confusion - hence the mindlock.

Valky:
> > and finally that there was a focussed use of Harry's love power in
> >the Occlumency lessons which demonstrates the correct control of it 

I do believe that this is one of two magnificent examples of Harry
using his power. Interestingly, both times he is calling only on his
love for Sirius to achieve it. I wonder, just imagine with me if you
will, what it could do if Harry was to call upon the love of Sirius
Dumbledore James and Lily and his dearest friends, all at once. It
makes white-faced panting Snape look like a scratched knee. :D

> AyanEva:
> I like this interpretation of the love power concept; it makes it
> resemble velveeta a little less.

Valky:
Oh me too! I am hanging on to it, tightly, more Biff! less Cheese!
<bg> I think we all love Tough!Harry and would hate him to go sappy on
us <g>


> Me:
> Ok, I understood how Harry/Snape unbalance each other. But I'm lost
> again on the bit [below] about how Harry/Snape balance. 

Can do!

Valky:
> > One good way to balance elements is to show a complimentary cycle
> > between them. 


The cycle of earth air fire water, is how they balance. Air fuels Fire
fuels Earth (Ash) fuels Water (respiration) fuels Air.

Combinations can move in smaller cycles, and the combination of
Fire/Water - Earth/Water has a cycle that works. Hence Harry and Snape
*could* be really good for each other in a balanced cycle of working
together.


> the cycle between Fire/Water and Air/Water runs like
> this. The Air lifts the fire (Snape-->Harry), the fire raises steam
> from the first water(Harry->Harry), the second water cools the steam
> > (Harry->Snape), and some air particles escape back to balance the
> > air (Snape --> Snape). Harry and Snape's resolution will probably
> > follow this cycle.


Okay the above explains how the elemants interact in the cycle :
Snape's Air feeds Harry's fire which can throw Harry out of balance by
converting his cooling water element to hot steam. In a balanced cycle
Harry will vent this heat at Snape (in their resolution look for Harry
to be mad as hell!) and it is Snapes water element which needs to be
thrown at Harry to make the cycle balance. As we know Snape usually
pushes his air element at Harry's hot headedness, not water, normally
Snape responds with dry sarcasm (Air), but if they are to work
together hormoniously Harry will have to hit Snapes deepest emotional
nerve and get Snape teary.. Can you see it happening? (methinks not
without Lily!) now if this happens, if Harry gets hot under the collar
with Snape and unbalances Snapes water element *this way* (<-- it's
very important that its fuming Harry that makes Snape teary, or else
no balance) Then Snape's water element will have an instant cooling
effect on the steam, from this cooled down steam will escape fresh air
element from Harry (Harry will look smart to Snape!) and it will
return Snapes Air to balance! Voila Snape and Harry have just worked
together harmoniously!

This would be the model for them achieving something positive as a
team, but it's not likely to be something they can do more than once
when you apply it to their fuller characters. Hence expect this to be
the *last* thing Snape and Harry ever do together. :D

Did that help?

Valky