Snape and Harry's Power/Mindlock and Fire/Air/Water: WAS Fire Air and Water

[AyanEva]

No: HPFGUIDX 142159

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" <Aisbelmon at h...> wrote:
> 
> Valky:
> Well yes, and no. Yes because I think Snape is definitely curious
> about the power that Harry can wield in the sense that he hasn't
> encountered it before, recognises that it has ultimate? potential from
> a very objective viewpoint, and is the lifelong learning type of
> person who is *always* looking for a new levels to explore in magic. 


Me (AyanEva) says:
See, I've always thought that there must be some *other* reason that
Snape dislikes Harry so much, besides the whole "looks like his dad"
thing. I think part of it is the circumstances surrounding his "Chosen
One" status, but the "observing power" idea that you just mentioned
has me thinking that perhaps *that* plays into the dislike or apparent
dislike some sort of way. I don't know how, but... 

Maybe part of point of Snape goading Harry all along was to get a rise
out of Harry and see what exactly he was capable of? But then that
completely contradicts my "strong aura manifested itself at the DOM"
idea. Meh. Let's just go with this particular train of thought for now
and ignore the contradiction. Since Harry's not a fully trained
wizard, he couldn't just cast some ridiculously complicated spell, so
you'd only be able to get some measure of ability from accidental
magic. I don't think you could tell accurately by how well someone
does in, say, Charms or something. We've seen that Harry has issues
concentrating (ADD!Harry), and so his schoolwork doesn't provide a
good measure of what he can do. Right, so this next bit sounds
straight out of Power Rangers or something (with all the "power level
talk"), but if Harry's raw power is tied into his emotions, then
riling him up could be a way of measuring his power level in relation
to level of emotion experienced. This goes hand in hand with observing
Harry via looooong  and frequent detentions. During which Snape always
does something, or makes Harry do something, emotionally upsetting.   

Drifting OT here... In regards to why Harry's so powerful, man, I'd
*love* to know Snape's theories on Harry's potential power. *I* can't
think of any theories for it. I mean, I suppose it *could* be a
transfer of some of Voldie's power, since we see that Voldie was very
powerful as a child. But I'm not satisfied with that answer. It seems
to me if he got some of Voldie's powers, that wouldn't make him *more*
powerful, it would just give him a wider array of abilities. I'm
making a distinction between the number of things you can do and how
much power you can put behind it. Speaking parseltongue isn't raw
power, it's an ability. The side-along apparition was raw power, IMO
because it required a heck of a lot of energy to do. I think it's that
ancient-magic-by-Lilly thing that gives Harry his excessive power, NOT
the transfer of *abilities* (abilities rather than power) from Voldie.   


>Valky:
> And No because I don't think the character of Snape is intended to
> fulfill any role of draining something from someone, that would be
> Voldemort's territory, I would classify Snape far more passively than
> that. So in that sense he is not feeding in a literal way but rather
> observing, very keenly. 


Me (AyanEva) again:
Vampire!Snape rears it's head (only it's the emotion-feeding Vampire).
Yes, I'm joking, and no I don't believe that. Not anymore anyway...
*grin* Though, I'm still curious about all of the bat references. 

I think I used a crappy phrase in "feeding (or draining, whichever one
it was)", rather than "draining," what I'm suggesting would be more
along the lines of...mmmm, borrowing? Like if you tap into your
neighbors cable. You're not "draining" their cable, just...sharing it,
but not affecting the quality of their transmission any. I don't know
how that idea works anywhere, but if there's a mental connection it
could work later on. Like sharing power, or maybe even borrowing it
all, somehow for whatever reason. Like, Harry needs some extra oomph
to beat Voldie, and through the sharing connection thing, Snape lends
him some power. I think my idea is quickly becoming ridiculous. 

 
>Valky:
>But
> Harry does not have anything when it comes to attacking in anger, he
> gives away his moves, he does most of the damage to himself rather
> than the person he's attacking, and he loses focus and gets attacked
> from behind when we know he is capable of sensing rear attack quite
> often.  
> IMO the mindlock theory makes sense in terms of Harry's lack of focus,


Me:
Wait, I'm confused about how the mindlock and lack of focus relate.


>Valky:
> but otherwise the strongest theory here is his loud aura
> transmissions. Perhaps even getting louder when he chases Snape
> because of his emotions there. OTOH it is this scene that most
> strongly pushes me to blend the three theories into a unified one,
> where Harry's loud aura is a result of tapping into his power in an
> uncontrolled way, his sympathies crossed with his determination to
> never forgive Snape are causing fuzziness in it around Snape which has
> them mindlocked in a sense but only through Harry's own intentions,
> and finally that there was a focussed use of Harry's love power in
>the Occlumency lessons which demonstrates the correct control of it :


Me:
Ok, you lost me. Can you rephrase this? I'm not sure what the theory
is. Sorry, apparently I'm really slow on the uptake tonight!


>Valky:
<snip>
> As I said before, it is Dumbledore than points out to us *this* is
> Harry's power of Love. Finding it here in Occlumency with Snape, well,
> it's a rough diamond, but thats still good right? :D
  

Me:
I like this interpretation of the love power concept; it makes it
resemble velveeta a little less.

<snip>


> Valky:
>  But if each are in balance, which could happen
> and I'll show you how, the interaction would be different.
> 
> One good way to balance elements is to show a complimentary cycle
> between them. the cycle between Fire/Water and Air/Water runs like
> this. The Air lifts the fire (Snape-->Harry), the fire raises steam
> from the first water(Harry-->Harry), the second water cools the steam
> (Harry ---> Snape), and some air particles escape back to balance the
> air (Snape --> Snape). Harry and Snape's resolution will probably
> follow this cycle.


Me:
Ok, I understood how Harry/Snape unbalance each other. But I'm lost
again on the bit above about how Harry/Snape balance. Geez, I'm sorry.
I'm really dumb at the moment or something! 


AyanEva (maybe someone's fuzzing up her mind)