Speculating on Voldemort's conscience

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 142352


> Eileen_nicholson wrote: 
> > Voldemort seems fairly one-dimensional now - did he ever have a 
> > conscience and if so, has he discarded it along the way? Did he 
> > think it unnecessary and inconvenient, and popped it into a 
> > horcrux?  Did he lose it to Harry at Godric's Hollow? 
> 
> 
> Lucianam:
<snip>
> Well, the way I see it, things like a conscience, morals, fair 
> judgment, a sense of compassion, etc., they'd all fall into 
> the 'soul' category, wouldn't them? Rather than into 'mind' (I'm 
> using the 'body, mind and soul' idea here).
> 
<snip>
> About a piece of Voldemort's soul having been 'inserted' in Harry 
> that night in GH - well, that'd be the Harry is a horcrux theory, 
> right? (or Harry's scar is a horcrux, I'm not sure)
> 
> I think it's possible. At least it'd explain why Tom Riddle and 
> Harry's histories are so similar (orphaned childhoods, raised by 
> Muggles, a sudden wonderful wakening to the wizarding World, best 
> times of their lives in Hogwarts). It would mean the 'bit of Voldie 
> soul' in Harry would go through almost the same experiences it had 
> when it was in Tom Riddle's body - only with different results now.
> 
> Instead of the hatred, indifference, ambition, cruelty, desire for 
> revenge, etc., it had to experience while in Tom's body, 'Voldie's 
> bit of soul' now has a chance to feel love, friendship, compassion, 
> altruism, pain after the loss of a loved one (Riddle never had a 
> chance to mourn his mother, and he loathed his father). Maybe those 
> experiences meant more than the previous bad ones, and that piece of 
> soul is now redeemed?

Valky:
I hadn't been taking this theory of a redeemed!Voldy in Harry
seriously. Until now in light of what Lucianam writes blow.

> Lucianam:
> I wonder if there's a way of getting that bit of soul off Harry 
> without killing him - if he is a horcrux, he'll have to be 
> destroyed. 

Valky:
Since we are talking about souls here, and others have gone
tentavtively before me into theological concepts of the soul in order
to unravel this mystery, I hope the house-elves will forgive me for
leading into such topics. Without dispute it can be said that JKR has
lent from Alchemy symbols and theology to create HP. And in alchemy,
the soul resides in the blood. 

Hence the simple point is made that if a horcruxed Voldie soul ever
did reside in Harry, then it has been rejioned with it's orignal owner
already, at least to some degree. Harry's blood runs in Voldies veins.

Now I did explore these Alchemical concepts before now I was *not*
looking for Horcrux Harry in doing so, I was investigating
Dumbledore's Gleam,  but, as I have said many times the road led there
despite my best efforts to avoid it. The transfer of blood from Harry
to Voldemort can be seen as a reverse Horcrux. The soul residing in
Harry's blood remains whole and connected to itself, and it's transfer
from Harry's body has endowed life, not taken it. The result is that
Voldemort has Harry's soul flowing in his veins. The problem with
leaving it there is that the mirror goes begging. It is not meant to
be left there. If JKR's concept of the soul is at all based on tales
of Alchemy, then Harry's soul is in his blood and Harry and Voldemort
are Dopplegangers. There are reams that can be written in point to
prove that alchemical tales are the source of much inspiration for the
HP series. Google it. <g> saves me writing till dawn. 

I will stick with the main point which is, Voldies soul being in
Harry, and Harry's blood being in Voldie makes them one in the same
person, two souls in two bodies, two souls to each body. It is my
guess there, that the transfer of Harry's blood-bound soul into LV
would be all that is needed. If Voldemort kills Harry, he kills himself. 

So onto the redeemed soul theory - I agree it is plausible, but what
most intrigues me is whether that redeemed soul piece was transferred
with Harry's blood. Could it be that the vicarious redemption of LV's
soul bound in Harry's blood is the reason that Voldemort can touch
Harry, and not becuause he drained Lily's magic using Dark forces? At
the end of PS/SS Dumbledore told Harry that the love the resides in
his very skin is agony for someone so devoid of goodness, hence I
always wondered by Voldemort didn't burn up on the spot during his
ressurrection, he was touched by Harry's blood, was he not? By Harry's
loving soul? Voldemort counted on his dark sinister magic to overcome
Harry's protection, and it appeared that it had worked. I just wonder
if it *was* Voldies dark magic that really overcame or was it a
fragment of redeemed Voldemort, transferred in Harry's blood, that
saved him?


> Lucianam:
> Maybe all Voldemort 
> transfered to Harry in Godric's Hollow was some of his magical 
> power?  

Valky:
You may have guessed, I'm not buying that, since no objective paths of
deduction that I have ever seen lead there. If Harry is not a Horcrux,
I'll need another explanation. <g>