Academic dishonesty (was "Apologies and responsibility")

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 139379

Matt wrote:
<snip> But ask yourself this: If Harry had gone to the library and
found some better textbook with more modern formulas for the potions,
and then had extrapolated from those -- or simply copied those down to
use in class -- would you think that was dishonest?  Would he have
been obliged to tell Slughorn how he arrived at the improvements, or
would it be enough that he found them from sources accessible to
everyone?  <snip>

Carol responds:
I don't know about RL science classes, but students who use outside
sources in an English class are required to cite them in endnotes and
a bibliography. Not to do so is plagiarism, punishable by expulsion on
the university level (I'm not sure about high school). If a student
used his older brother's or sister's annotated copy of a novel to
write an interpretive essay, that would also be considered plagiarism
if the student was caught. If, for example, the student had the same
teacher as the older brother or sister and the teacher recognized the
ideas, she would be within her rights to ask to see the textbook and
to give the student a failing grade. The ideas are not Harry's. He is
failing to "cite his source." That's cheating in my view.

Carol, sorry to use up a post on this topic but unable not to respond