Sirius' declaration of loyalty in the Shrieking Shack

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No: HPFGUIDX 139414

Magda:

> Of course they weren't empty; he was quite sincere (as was 
Bellatrix
> regarding her loyalty to Voldemort). Sirius was always sincere. 
> 
> But they were hokey, and cheesy, and right up there with signing
> oaths in blood by candlelight.  It's an adolescent's view of how to
> make a really impressive declaration.  

Alla:

This is the moment where I need clarification. You agree that Sirius 
was sincere, right? He would had been died for Peter, if asked.

Could you tell me what are you objecting to? Just to the wording? 
Are you saying that this was simply the  wrong moment to say  it, if 
it is so, then I would say that it simply needed to be said for both 
plot development and  character development

And honestly I find Sirius attitude towards friendship to be  the 
one which makes whole  lot of sense to me, especially considering 
the  experiences I had while growing up.

Since in Soviet Union schools kids would stay basically with the 
same group of people for at least eight years of schooling and with 
many of those people for ten years of schooling ( you take the same 
subjects with same thirty or fourty people every day), you used to 
form some very tight friendships, many of them literally for life.

It was a bit harder for jewish kids to form such tight friendships, 
since one would be not very inclined to be friends with people who 
throw racial slurs at you, but we managed to find close friends too.

What am I getting at? I am not sure, I guess I am just saying that 
if adolescent way is to stay loyal to your friends, then at my  
age " my inner adolescent" is pretty much alive.



> 
> Magda (who thinks Sirius was dumb not for making the declaration 
but
> for expecting that Pettigrew shared the sentiment)


Alla:

Hmmm, post HBP, I would argue that this declaration of Sirius may 
come back with the vengeance in book 7. Consider - the sincerity of 
Sirius declaration may hint at the fact that Marauders' friendship 
WAS genuine in many aspects despite people putting so much emphasis 
on James and Sirius remarks towards Peter in pensieve scene. I 
suspect that was their way to make jokes and  that they did like 
Peter as a friends,even if they may consider his magical skills to 
be a bit weaker than  theirs.


Are you completely discarding the idea that Peter may have regrets 
sometimes that he abandoned the genuine friendship and sold his 
friends to Voldemort?

Maybe we will learn that to some extent Peter did share the 
sentiment of Sirius' declaration and  that is why he would act the 
way I am suspecting he may in book 7.


JMO,

Alla,

who is quite annoyed  with her abysmal math skills, but who is now 
pretty sure that in her time zone she is starting the new day and 
new three  posts. Hopefully...