numerous short replies, not all of them smart-ass

[kiricat4001]

No: HPFGUIDX 139584

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
 
> Vivian wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/139475 :
> 
> << So far JKR has only shown DEs (and former DEs) kill. She hasn't
> shown any Order members killing yet—not even in self-defense. >>

Catlady: 
> That depends on how precise is the word 'shown'. In the Pensieve 
scene
> of Karkaroff's hearing in GoF: "Any others?" said Crouch coldly.
> 
> "Why, yes 
 there was Rosier," said Karkaroff hurriedly. "Evan
> Rosier."
> 
> "Rosier is dead," said Crouch. "He was caught shortly after you 
were,
> too. He preferred to fight rather than coming quietly, and was 
killed
> in the struggle."
> 
> "Took a bit of me with him, though," whispered Moody to Harry's
> right. Harry looked around at him once more, and saw him indicating
> the large chunk out of his nose to Dumbledore.

Marianne:

But, was this Moody as OoP member killing Rosier, or was this Moody 
as Auror killing Rosier?  Obviously, as he was an OoP member, then 
yes, he is an example of one of the good guys killing someone.  
However, he's a somewhat different case than the non-Auror members 
of OoP. He was working in a job where he had been given permission 
by his government to kill DEs, (but preferred not to do so, if what 
Sirius says about him in GoF is true).  So, whether he was an Order 
member or not, he still may have killed Rosier. 

Maybe Vivian's original observation can be amended to state that JKR 
hasn't shown any Order members killing yet—not even in self-defense, 
with the exception of one person who had been given the legal right 
to do so. I think JKR is quite deliberately comparing a group of 
lawless terrorists who will stop at nothing to achieve their ends 
with a group that's dedicated to defeating them, but who will try to 
do so without using the same evil methods.

Marianne