numerous short replies, not all of them smart-ass

vmonte vmonte at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 5 14:24:25 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 139590

>Pippin wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/138999 :

<< Jo has already said that Harry can't learn [Occlumency] -- he's
too damaged. >>

>Catlady responded:
I thought Jo said that Harry can't learn Occlumency because he isn't
damaged enough. (I'm not going into detail because so many posters
have already done so.)

vmonte now:
JKR: "...I had an interesting discussion, I thought, with my editor 
Emma, about Draco. She said to me, "So, Malfoy can do Occlumency," 
which obviously Harry never mastered and has now pretty much given up 
on doing, or attempting. And she was querying this and wondering 
whether he should be as good as it, but I think Draco would be very 
gifted in Occlumency, unlike Harry. Harry's problem with it was 
always that his emotions were too near the surface and that he is in 
some ways too damaged. But he's also very in touch with his feelings 
about what's happened to him. He's not repressed, he's quite honest 
about facing them, and he couldn't suppress them, he couldn't 
suppress these memories. But I thought of Draco as someone who is 
very capable of compartmentalizing his life and his emotions, and 
always has done. So he's shut down his pity, enabling him to bully 
effectively. He's shut down compassion — how else would you become a 
Death Eater? So he suppresses virtually all of the good side of 
himself." (MN/TLC 2,pp16-17)

Sorry, Catlady you're wrong.
 

>Lady Indigo wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/139123 :

<< tbernhard2000: Snape found refuge at Hogwarts too.
Lady Indigo: When? >>

>Catlady:
As a grown man who turned against the Dark Lord.

vmonte now:
As a grown man that wanted to avoid prison time.


>Vivian wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/139183 :

<< We know that Snape has used Legimency on people before--
Fake!Moody on the stairs, >>

>Catlady:
This confuses me. How could Snape have used Legilimency on Fake!Moody
without noticing that he was fake? Surely one's self-identity is
present in one's mind all one's waking time, like a background noise?

vmonte:
"Meaning what?" Snape turned again to look at Moody, his hands still 
outstretched, inches from Harry's chest.
"Meaning that Dumbledore's very interested to know who's got it in 
for that boy!" said Moody, limping nearer still to the foot of the 
stairs. "And so am I, Snape...very interested..." The torch-light 
flickered across his mangled face, so that the scars, and the chunk 
missing from his nose, looked deeper and darker than ever. Snape was 
looking down at Moody, and Harry couldn't see the expression on his 
face. For a moment, nobody moved or said anything. Then Snape slowly 
lowered his hands.
"I merely thought," said Snape, in a voice of forced calm, "that if 
Potter was wandering around after hours again...it's an unfortunate 
habit of his...he should be stopped. For--his own safety."
"Ah, I see," said Moody softly. "Got Potter's best interests at 
heart, have you?"
There was a pause. Snape and Moody were still staring at each other. 
Mrs. Norris gave a loud meow, still peering around Filch's legs, 
looking for the source of Harry's bubble-bath smell.
"I think I will go back to bed, "Snape said curtly.
"Best idea you've had all night," said Moody. (p473-474, GoF)

Something happened here. Is this just a staring contest?  


>Luckdragon wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/139426 :

<< I wonder how many people would truly find Snape as attractive had
Alan Rickman not portrayed him in the movies. >>

>Catlady:
*sigh* I feel like I am constantly repeating that there were women (on
the predecessor of this list, and elsewhere) who doted on Severus
Snape *before the movie rights had even been sold*. His speech about
the subtle beauty of the softly simmering cauldron had more to do with
it than Alan Rickman's innate sexiness.

vmonte:
Yes, Snape's gift is that he is great at verbally manipulating 
people. It's a gift that he shares with Iago.

  
>Vivian wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/139475 :

<< So far JKR has only shown DEs (and former DEs) kill. She hasn't
shown any Order members killing yet—not even in self-defense. >>

>Catlady:
That depends on how precise is the word 'shown'. In the Pensieve scene
of Karkaroff's hearing in GoF: "Any others?" said Crouch coldly.

"Why, yes 
 there was Rosier," said Karkaroff hurriedly. "Evan
Rosier."

"Rosier is dead," said Crouch. "He was caught shortly after you were,
too. He preferred to fight rather than coming quietly, and was killed
in the struggle."

"Took a bit of me with him, though," whispered Moody to Harry's
right. Harry looked around at him once more, and saw him indicating
the large chunk out of his nose to Dumbledore.


vmonte:
We were not shown, we were told about an incident from the past. 

Wouldn't you feel horrible, knowing what we know now (that killing 
splits your soul), if Harry had killed Bellatrix in OOTP--even if it 
was in self-defense.  

I would. 

Vivian




 

 







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