Nagini, Snape, and Harry During Occlumency (& comments to Elsye)

[vmonte]

No: HPFGUIDX 139688

vmonte:
I reread the Occlumency lessons in OOTP and I noticed that Harry asks
Snape some very good questions.

Harry's heart was pumping fast again. None of this added up. "But why
does Professor Dumbledore want me to stop it?" he asked abruptly. "I
don't like it much, but it's been useful, hasn't it? I mean...I saw
that snake attack Mr. Weasley and if I hadn't, Professor Dumbledore
wouldn't have been able to save him, would he? Sir?"
Snape stared at Harry for a few moments, still tracing his mouth with
his finger. When he spoke again,it was slowly and deliberately, as
though he weighed every word...

"the vision you had shortly before Christmas represented such a
powerful incursion upon the Dark Lord's thoughts--"

"I saw inside the snake's head, not his?..."
"How come I saw through the snake's eyes if it's Voldemort's thoughts
I'm sharing?"

"Do not say the Dark Lord's name!" spat Snape.
..."You seem to have visited the snake's mind because that was where
the Dark Lord was at that particular moment," snarled Snape. "He
was possessing the snake at the time and so you dreamed you were
inside it too..."

"And Vol--he--realized I was there?"

"It seems so," said Snape coolly.

"How do you know?" said Harry urgently. "Is this just Professor
Dumbledore guessing, or--?"

"I told you," said Snape, rigid in his chair, his eyes slits, "to
call me 'sir.'" (p533, OOTP)


I think that Voldemort accessed his soul piece to manipulate Nagini. 
He was able to control her because a piece of his soul was inside.  
Doesn't this mean that Harry could potentially control Voldemort and 
Nagini too?
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Elsye wrote:
He is an exteremely powerful wizard. He correctly identified the
curse Quirrel was using (McGonagall was clueless) and was
successfully using the countercurse We have been told any number of
times that he is a superb Occlumens perhaps the best in the world
considering he has been lying for at least three years to Voldemort,
Dumbledore or both. And I doubt Voldemort picks incompetent people to
be Death Eaters. Even weak grovelling Pettigrew was able to blast a
street full of 13 Muggles with his wand behind his back.

vmonte:
LoL Elsye, I almost wanted to smoke a cigarette after your Snape
comments. But, you know what? I think that what you like about Snape
is the fact that you think he IS a bad boy. At least be honest about
it! :)

Elsye:
I hate to use your own quote against you but:
JKR:However, everyone should keep their eye on Snape, I'll just say
that because there is *more to him* than meets the eye......

vmonte:
The quote right before is:
JK Rowling: Yes but you shouldn't think him too nice. It is worth
keeping an eye on old Severus definitely!

If the first sentence read:
"Yes but you shouldn't think him too bad...
Then I would agree with your comments.

Elsye:
Might I remind you that we know
Dumbledore was an excellent Occlumens, and we
have canon to support speculations that Lupin was too...
"An odd, closed expression appeared on his face..."
Surely youre not suggesting DD and Lupin were Death Eaters?
Heh heh...that would change interpretation of the
Lighting Struck Tower at the end of HBP wouldnt it??

vmonte:
You are right about DD & Lupin knowing Occlumency, but I don't think
that they use it as much as we think they do, and probably only under
extreme circumstances. (Lupin might need to use it more because he
doesn't want people to know that he is a werewolf.) Snape is probably
always closed off.

Vivian