OFH!Snape scenario (Long)

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 139761


> Saraquel:

> >Vivian wrote in
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/139183 :
> << We know that Snape has used Legimency on people before--
> Fake!Moody on the stairs, >>
> 
> >Catlady:
> >This confuses me. How could Snape have used Legilimency on Fake!
> >Moody without noticing that he was fake? Surely one's self-identity 
> >is present in one's mind all one's waking time, like a background 
> >noise?
> 
> >Vmonte quoted
> >"Meaning what?" Snape turned again to look at Moody, his hands 
> >still outstretched, inches from Harry's chest.
> >"Meaning that Dumbledore's very interested to know who's got it in
> >for that boy!" said Moody, limping nearer still to the foot of the
> >stairs. "And so am I, Snape...very interested..." The torch-light
> >flickered across his mangled face, so that the scars, and the chunk
> >missing from his nose, looked deeper and darker than ever. Snape 
> >was looking down at Moody, and Harry couldn't see the expression on 
> >his face. For a moment, nobody moved or said anything. Then Snape 
> >slowly lowered his hands.
> >"I merely thought," said Snape, in a voice of forced calm, "that if
> >Potter was wandering around after hours again...it's an unfortunate
> >habit of his...he should be stopped. For--his own safety."
> >"Ah, I see," said Moody softly. "Got Potter's best interests at
> >heart, have you?"
> >There was a pause. Snape and Moody were still staring at each 
> >other. Mrs. Norris gave a loud meow, still peering around Filch's 
> >legs, looking for the source of Harry's bubble-bath smell.
> >"I think I will go back to bed, "Snape said curtly.
> >"Best idea you've had all night," said Moody. (p473-474, GoF)
> 
> This is interesting. We could say that there is a possibility that 
> Snape rumbles Crouch!Moody's disguise at this point.  But he is 
> still undecided as to what he should do, so opts for keeping up the 
> loyalty to DD side of the story.  If, as I am speculating, Snape 
> feels he is being pulled and pushed by all around him, he would want 
> to try and fulfil all possibilities, and keep everyone guessing.  
> Perhaps Snape looks so intently in the foe glass at the end of GoF, 
> to find out whether Crouch!Moody rumbled *his* plan.  By the look of 
> it, the foe glass showed him as an enemy.  Of course there has been 
> a lot of discussion before about what the foe glass shows – your 
> perceived enemies, or your actual enemies.
> 
> However, I think it can pan out as an out for himself Snape, with a 
> foot in both camps, keeping both sides sweet. Snape is frightened 
> and distressed, but by the time DD sends him back to Voldemort, 
> Snape has come to terms with the situation and prepared his story, 
> like a good academic that he is, he has made his `theory' as 
> watertight as he can before publication.

Valky:
Oh I can really see that now Srarquel, thankyou for pointing us here
in the context of your examination. This actually opens a door that I
am not sure I've seen opened before.

The quote above is completely open to translation as a Legilimency
conversation between Crouch and Snape. (In particular, the line "Best
idea you've had all night," said Moody. begs for it to be read that
way by those who who go back and carefully read IMHO) 

Personally I would translate it the latter way you proposed, leaving
the mask of loyalty to Dumbledore that he uses as entirely for Harry's
benefit (and ours) not at all for Crouch. To Crouch, I think, Snape is
laying on the "DE ally, I am" act, thickly. I do believe that this
passage indicates them being fully aware of each others underlying
identities. 

Snape certainly isn't DD's man at this time, in that case. Dumbledore
doesn't appear to have gotten many hints from Snape about Fake Moody's
identity. I would have to say that this utterly favours your analysis,
Saraquel. I'm impressed! But I am also responding to this point for
another specific reason, THe FOe Glass. 
IIRC when in the room Snape looks very long at his face in the foe
glass. If he had been previously playing ally to Crouch, then his face
in that Foe Glass is going to create him some serious problems. Just
assuming that it can be relied upon, if Bart Jr has seen Snapes face
then Snape is under some serious threat from Barty, whether he escapes
or is captured and put to trial once Barty knows Snape is *not* his
ally he will turn on him and bring him down any way he can. 
If Barty escapes, Snape will be turned in to Voldemort, if Barty is
captured then Snape could as easily be turned in to Fudge and his
ministry for whatever he has helped Bart to accomplish in the year.
Barty is soul sucked by a dementor and I am inclined to believe that
Snape managed to put wheels on that cart, for the sake of covering his
own ambiguous loyalties.


I'm sure I've read this postulated before, but now I see enough
evidence to totally agree with it as a possibility.



> Saraquel:
> Who ponders what JKR has in mind when Harry reminds us in HBP, that 
> somewhere DD had said to him evil is never really destroyed, the 
> battle goes on and you have to keep on fighting it.  Anyone know the 
> cannon reference – I'll have to go and look for it again, myself.

Valky:
This is at the end of PS/SS, the conversation between DD and Harry in
the infirmary after Harry met Voldemort the first time