Is Voldie alive?

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 139766

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, juli17 at a... wrote:
> Mil wrote:
> 
> Is this  JKR's way, of telling us that LV isn't really alive?... 
> 
> I've noticed  lots of posts, where there's speculation upon the 
> prophecy, saying that  "...neither can live, while the other 
> survives..."... is Fudge telling us  that indeed, unless HP is dead, 
> LV cannot be completely alive?... and does  this apply to HP as well 
> (which for his case, may just mean that he won't  be able to LIVE 
> a "normal" life until LV is gone)
> 
> 
> 
> Julie says:
> Something just popped into my head when I read two of the above
> sentences--Is JKR telling us that LV isn't really alive? "Neither 
> can live while the other survives."--and then put them together 
> again.  
> In the prophecy wording there are potentially diverse  definitions
> for "live" versus "survive"? If LV isn't really *alive,* can he be  
> one of the neither in "neither can *live*?" Or is LV the one who 
> only "survives"? In which case "neither" would refer to two  
> additional people, one of whom is certainly Harry, and the 
> other...Snape? Or someone else entirely? 
>  
> Whoever the two are, they can't live if LV survives. Or "as long as" 
> LV survives, if you define "live" in the sense of being free of the
> chains LV has put around them, Harry (as Mil noted) because
> of the prophecy and LV's intent to kill him, and Snape because 
> of his DE ties to LV that can only be fully broken by the death of 
> one of them).

Valky:
This is definitely an interesting read on the Prophecy Julie. 
Now I never did senior units in the english language (explaining my
shocking punctuation and sometimes sloppy grammar) so the majority of
my technical understanding is resulting from experience rather than
structured learning, however.. I think that reading the line "neither
can live while the other survives" in this way, then implies a
necessary interpretation of the preceeding line "either must die at
the hand of the other", that assigns the same subjects.  (I am happy
to be told this is wrong BTW) Finally, all meaning that, if "neither"
means Harry and someone else and "other" means Voldemort, then either
also means Harry and someone else, who must both necessarily be killed
by Voldemort, since the propositions are joined by the word "for".

I am sure that Voldie would love this interpretation, but it just
seems, to me, to spell inevitable doom for Harry.

Valky