Characters and the revelation model (Was: Re: Depth?)

[vmonte]

No: HPFGUIDX 139920

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>Valky:
What this line of thought eventually leads me to is the reason that
Snape ordered the DE's not to kill Harry. I submit that Dumbledore
conspired for some of the prophecy to be leaked to Voldemort, or at
least an interpretation of it, enough so that Snape could provide
Voldie incentive to believe that a very great threat to him would be
Harry dying at the hand of another. Just enough to keep Harry alive
for one more round and indeed the very thing to help Snape survive a
rampaging Voldie who has just lost the prophecy forever. This, to me,
seems a Dumbledorish thing to do.

vmonte:
I'm confused. Are you saying that Dumbledore gave Snape permission to 
leak the second half of the prophecy so that Voldemort would realize 
that only he could kill Harry and therefore not allow anyone else to 
go after him? 

How about this line of thought instead. That Voldemort has all of a 
sudden closed off his mind to Harry because he has finally realized 
that Harry is a horcrux. That the connection they share seems to be 
greater than he previously thought. That killing Harry would in 
essence be like killing a part of himself. That he needs to find a 
way to remove the horcrux before Harry is killed. 

Did you notice that Snape tells Narcissa and Bella that Dumbledore 
sustained an injury during the summer?

"I am pleased to say, however, that Dumbledore is growing old. The 
duel with the Dark Lord last month shook him. He has since sustained 
a serious injury because his reactions are slower than they once 
were." (p31, Spinner's End) 

I'm sure that Snape mentioned this injury to Voldemort. Can't you 
also imagine Voldemort asking Snape what kind of injury it was? A 
curse? There was a ring? What did it look like? That kind of thing. 
So, now Voldemort must make Dumbledore his number one target, no? 
Voldemort closing his mind to Harry now makes more sense. Harry 
cannot know about Voldemort's plans. 

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Regarding Draco -
Betsy Hp:
Thank goodness for Dumbledore. Though I think Dumbledore was
thinking a bit higher than the court of law. (I think a court of
law would probably consider the death threat against his family a
mitigating circumstance, especially if the case is presented well.)

vmonte:
And here is the reason why innocent people like Stan Shunpike and
Sirius Black end up in jail and people like Snape and Draco do not.


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>vmonte responds:
He probably had to come up with a different way because he has no
happy memories to create a patronus.

>zgirnius:
Isn't this how he communicates with others in the Order? Seems like he
would have to be able to do this...

vmonte:
I don't know, really. But it seems curious that Snape has a different
method than the norm. It seems that JKR is trying to clue us in on
something here. Why would Snape not agree with Harry's method when
Harry is so obviously great at this skill. This skill seems to be
really tied into the Harry is full of love and goodness theme. This
is Harry's own talent, not something he picked up from Voldemort.
Harry has the ability to banish the lowest form of life, the soul
sucking dementors. Creatures whose whole purpose in life is to
destroy other people, and the only way to get rid of them is to
understand true love. It's not enough to be happy about the first day
you ride a broom or your first quidditch win, which are rather
selfish memories. You need to remember a happy memory involving
friendship and love of others.


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Hickengruendler:
IMO, vmonte, the example you delivered are not the same as what Betsy
meant. Neither of the characters you mentioned in your post changed.
Tom Riddle and Crouch jr were simply good actors. They seemed
likeable, because they managed to hide their real personalities. This
is really the last thing you could accuse the Marauders of, making
themselves look better in that scene, than they really were. And
Hagrid was exactly the same guy he still is. The good natured but not
very bright half-giant, who has a liking for monsters. We got some
wrong informations, that made these characters look better or worse
than they really were for a moment. But they did not change.

vmonte:
You are right, I was not talking about the "revelation model." I was
commenting on "Snape's Worst Memory," which was being discussed up
thread. I don't think that the marauders were trying to make
themselves look better in the penseive memory, this is who they are
IMO. What I do see though are Fred and George type guys. I don't
always agree on what F&G do either, but I've noticed that F&G seem to
reserve their nastier side for people like Draco and his pals
(hexing, stepping over them in the train, etc). There is a reason why
the marauders did not like Snape. Sorry, but the "poor me I'm a
victim Snape" is starting to make me want to vomit.
I'm also not letting F&G off the hook for some of the product based
pranks they played on innocent students. (I have noticed however that
F&G seem to use themselves as product testing guinea pigs just as
much as they use other people. It may just mean they are stupid and
not mature enough to think of the consequences.)

Vivian