Characters and the revelation model (Was: Re: Depth?)

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 139922

- Haha Vivian I answered your post while you were reconsidering it..
I'll try to answer all of your thoughts now.


> >Valky:
> What this line of thought eventually leads me to is the reason that
> Snape ordered the DE's not to kill Harry. I submit that Dumbledore
> conspired for some of the prophecy to be leaked to Voldemort, or at
> least an interpretation of it, enough so that Snape could provide
> Voldie incentive to believe that a very great threat to him would be
> Harry dying at the hand of another. Just enough to keep Harry alive
> for one more round and indeed the very thing to help Snape survive a
> rampaging Voldie who has just lost the prophecy forever. This, to 
> me, seems a Dumbledorish thing to do.


> vmonte:
> There is no way that this happened. Dumbledore leaked the prophecy? 
> How far are we going to go to let Snape off the hook for everything 
> he has ever done? This would make Dumbledore just as bad as  
> Voldemort IMO. 
> 

Valky:
You seem to be taking what I said above to mean that DD leaked the
whole prophecy. But I am not saying that at all. 

I am just saying that I can imagine a scenario in which Dumbledore
would consider that giving Voldemort one small piece of information
about the prophecy would work to the overall advantage of the good guys. 

It actually seems quite likely to me that the *whole year* of time
that Dumbledore and Harry had in HBP after Voldemort had been foiled
in retrieving the prophecy could easily have come at a price. 

Something curbed Voldemort's ploy for information and sent him on a
different path in HBP. And I simply credit that to an ingenious tactic
by DD. The most likely thing that would cause this change in Voldie is
if he was handed a little bit more of the prophecy, something to act
on, otherwise he'd be acting directly on getting information to act
on, if you catch my drift. And he wasn't. 

We at least have to wonder how Snape could get away with telling the
DE's not to kill Harry, they are going to pass that information to
Voldemort when they get back to DE HQ, so Snape needs for it to
*really* be what Voldemort wants or else he's dead, Draco's dead, and
Dumbledore got nothing really done while he was alive. No, I am sure
that Snape had rights by Voldemort to order Harry to be spared. And I
think it has to be thanks to Voldemorts tendency to always act on the
prophecy.

> 
> vmonte:
> I'm confused. Are you saying that Dumbledore gave Snape permission 
> to leak the second half of the prophecy so that Voldemort would 
> realize that only he could kill Harry and therefore not allow anyone 
> else to go after him? 

Valky:
No and Yes.. No not all of the second half of the prophecy, just a
part of it. Enough to motivated Voldie to act in a predictable way
which is yes pretty much what you said above.

> Vmonte:
> How about this line of thought instead. That Voldemort has all of a 
> sudden closed off his mind to Harry because he has finally realized 
> that Harry is a horcrux. That the connection they share seems to be 
> greater than he previously thought. That killing Harry would in 
> essence be like killing a part of himself. That he needs to find a 
> way to remove the horcrux before Harry is killed. 

Valky:
I think that there is a good strong possibility that Voldemort has
become vaguely aware of the *snake* inside Harry. (OOtP page 425), but
there is also a slight possibility that he hasn't. 

> Vmonte:
> Did you notice that Snape tells Narcissa and Bella that Dumbledore 
> sustained an injury during the summer?
> 
> "I am pleased to say, however, that Dumbledore is growing old. The 
> duel with the Dark Lord last month shook him. He has since sustained 
> a serious injury because his reactions are slower than they once 
> were." (p31, Spinner's End) 
> 
> I'm sure that Snape mentioned this injury to Voldemort. Can't you 
> also imagine Voldemort asking Snape what kind of injury it was? A 
> curse? There was a ring? What did it look like? That kind of thing. 
> So, now Voldemort must make Dumbledore his number one target, no? 
> Voldemort closing his mind to Harry now makes more sense. Harry 
> cannot know about Voldemort's plans. 


Valky:
Yes I think you are right that Voldie closed his mind to protect his
attack on Dumbledore. 

Heres another thing you might want to consider. In the battle in the
MOM Harry reveals to the DE's that Dumbledore has been keeping the
prophecy from him, the DE's have told Voldemort therefore that Harry
doesn't know a single word of the prophecy as far as they have been
informed, in fact he didn't even know it existed until they told him
about it. 

So here is a perfect opportunity for Dumbledore to play Voldie into
his hands. If he hands one line of the prophecy to Voldemort, and
Voldemort thinks that he knows more than Harry, then Voldemort is
going to close his mind to Harry, he doesn't want Harry finding out
more information than he has.. see my drift there.. 

Now as far as Voldemort knows the only person that can tell Harry the
prophecy and arm him against Voldemort is Dumbledore, so then it makes
sense to get Dumbledore out of the way as quickly as possible. 

So Voldemort makes a play for the lead here, he takes his tidbit of
the prophecy, and he gets rid of the source. If it works out he is a
nose in front of Harry in the last battle.. 


Valky