That darn Prophecy again.. Re: Thin air/Choices

[Ceridwen]

No: HPFGUIDX 140034

Brothergib:
> However, I still feel that JKR makes far too much reference to the 
> power that Harry possesses and Voldemort fails to understand! 
> Therefore it still seems most likely that this will be Voldemort's 
> undoing, rather that anything of his own making.

Valky:
>Dumbledore is left with a "dead" hand, and Harry survives his 
>encounter relatively unscathed.

Ceridwen:
All right, so what if the 'Power the Dark Lord Knows Not' hasn't been 
revealed yet in its proper setting?  *And* pointed out, that is.  
Someone else suggested that Harry is apparently better suited to 
dispatching the horcruxes, since he didn't suffer the same sort of 
fate Dumbledore did.  So, the 'Power...' resides in Harry alone, he 
is the only one who can do the job properly.  If this is the Power of 
Love, it must be a very special sort of love.  Lily's blood 
protection coming into play?  But, what about once Harry turns 
seventeen and it no longer applies?

This is where I would, regretfully, slip into thinking Harry is a 
horcrux, or else his scar.  Yes, the scar, given the choice.  
Voldemort kills what he inhabits.  If Vapour!Mort was soul or bits of 
soul, then this all fits together.  Quirrel drinking unicorn blood, 
which kept him alive in at least a half-state, for instance.  I had 
thought that the drinking was done on Voldemort's behalf until this 
discussion.  Now, I'm not so sure.  That was book 1, LV's explanation 
of his vaporous existence didn't come until book 4, where he revealed 
that he killed the beasts he inhabited.  I didn't make the connection 
between the animals he says he inhabited and ultimately killed, and 
Quirrel.  Humans are animals, too.

I'm open to the idea that there is something other than a horcrux 
sort of soul-piece that can be given by Voldemort, which can shield 
Harry from the sort of destruction Dumbledore suffered.  If not a 
soul-piece, then something that the soul fragment within the horcrux, 
can recognize.  I do think that a horcrux can be made accidentally, 
and observation of such phenomena is what led to the more exacting 
rituals to make a horcrux proper.  If such a phenomenon exists in 
Wizarding Nature, then perhaps it isn't as strong, nor as efficient, 
as the ritualized way.

Maybe it cuts, and leaves the soul-fragment embedded in the outer 
skin, rather than deep inside.  With only what we have to go on, we 
can't say.  We can guess, but we'll never get over any disagreements 
until the whole thing is either addressed, or shown to be yet another 
foray into the brush.

So, somehow, IMO, Voldemort transferred some bit of himself to 
Harry.  Harry did get some abilities, or at least the one, 
Parseltongue.  I'm guessing that went in through the scar as it was 
ripped open.  Even the shape of the scar leads to a magical 
transferrence of some sort.  Bolts and jets of light coming from 
wands, lightning bolt, all the same to me.  Some spell, and not the 
AK, tore that scar into Harry.  The AK killed his mother and 
Voldemort...

Hm.  Thinking on the keys here, everyone says the spell rebounded to 
kill Voldemort as a physical entity.  And that Lily's protection 
resides in Harry's blood.  Parseltongue and protection both entering 
through the scar, I'm guessing.  That room must have been rife with 
ricocheting spells, and not all of them intentional, as Lily died and 
Voldemort vaporized.  And, what did happen to the piece of soul that 
tore when James was killed?  Did it stay tenuously latched onto what 
was left?

Still, if this was accidental, a phenomenon of Nature rather than of 
will, it would be different than deliberately creating a horcrux, or 
even deliberate possession.  Either is some form of possession, and 
would have killed Baby!Harry before long, if the soul-piece was 
embedded inside of him.  That's why, if Harry is any sort of horcrux, 
the soul-piece would be in his scar.  The scar is on the outer skin, 
not properly inside.  A liminal or barrier point, the point where sea 
meets land and day turns to night.  Harry addressing a deliberate 
horcrux would have the protection of a bit of Voldemort on his skin, 
denying entrance to the soul fragment in the horcrux, or at least 
tempering it to be more readily accepted, or even taking it into the 
outer skin instead of into the body at some cell or molecule level.  
A 'power the Dark Lord knows not'.  Yet, one which makes Harry equal 
to him in the treatment of LV's horcruxes.

Because I don't think Voldemort would be damaged by retrieving a 
piece of his own soul from a horcrux, as Dumbledore was.  The soul-
piece would recognize him as its owner.  And, it seems, it would 
recognize, on some deep inner level, Harry as the same.  Even though 
its consciousness, as TR in CoS for an example, found out about Harry 
and knew that he wasn't the one who should be retrieving/releasing 
him.  That soul-piece couldn't harm Harry the way Dumbledore was 
harmed.  Because of *whatever it is* in the scar that identifies 
Harry with Voldemort.

Valky:
>Am I making sense now?

About as much as I am!  Oy!

Ceridwen.