That darn Prophecy again.. Re: Thin air/Choices

[Jen Reese]

No: HPFGUIDX 140075

Cerwidwen:
> I'm open to the idea that there is something other than a horcrux 
> sort of soul-piece that can be given by Voldemort, which can 
> shield Harry from the sort of destruction Dumbledore suffered. If
> not a soul-piece, then something that the soul fragment within the
> horcrux, can recognize. 
   
> Valky:
> I have taken a walk in this direction. and written some thoughts
> on it which I haven't posted yet. It still supposes that horcrux
> magic was flying around Godrics Hollow that night, but Harry
> doesn't necessarily end up with a piece of Voldies soul. 

Jen: I'm curious about this part: When you say horcrux magic, do you 
mean soul pieces flying around? Or that Voldemort started the 
process of making a horcrux prior to visitng GH, and was only 
waiting on the ripped soul portion to complete the spell? Meaning 
the horcrux would be 'in process' so to speak.

(I like any theory where Harry doesn't end up with Voldie's stinkin' 
soul part <g>).

Valky: 
> What happens instead is that Voldmeort falls victim to a curse he
> put on his own body, to make it unkillable. The scar therfore is
> where Harry gets touched by that curse which is in line with what
> Hagrid told him in PS/SS, and Dumbledore too was a victim of this
> curse which would explain the lightning shaped crack in the ring. 

Jen: So Voldemort attempts to protect himself with the same curse 
that he put on the ring. I'm not sure about the unkillable part--if 
he could make himself immortal with a curse, why would he bother 
with the Horcruxes? Or do you mean it was sort of a temporary curse?

The idea of the scar on Harry's head and the same scar on the ring 
is good though, and in fact, leads me to another thought. If the 
ring got the scar when the soul piece was destroyed--did Harry, too, 
destroy a soul piece that night? One which flew through him and was 
destroyed upon leaving its container? I guess that doesn't further 
the plot though, if Harry didn't destroy an actual Horcrux that 
night. *Unless*--would it be possible for Voldemort to be souless 
now and still alive? (Sorry if I'm repeating something you, Saraquel 
or Ceridwen already went over--I'm still catching up there). If he 
lost his host soul that night, then all Harry has to do is destroy 
the remaining four Horcruxes and Voldemort's history.

Valky:
> Through his ignorance of the Love magic he failed to notice that
> his curse intended to protect him from being killed by the hand of
> another, was effectively mirrored back at him. The Scar itself is
> the sign on Harrys innocent head showing not that he survived
> Voldemorts Avada Kedavra, but that he survived *killing*
> Voldemort, something even less possible than surviving Voldemort
> trying to kill you. 

Jen: This part is a little unclear to me. What did happen to the AK, 
if its rebound off Lily's love sacrifice wasn't the cause of the 
scar? I think you're saying Voldemort's AK is what nearly killed 
him, but the curse he put on himself was what actually caused the 
scar. I'm just confused about the mechanics.


Jen