That darn Prophecy again.. Re: Thin air/Choices

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 140078


> Cerwidwen:
> > I'm open to the idea that there is something other than a horcrux 
> > sort of soul-piece that can be given by Voldemort, which can 
> > shield Harry from the sort of destruction Dumbledore suffered. If
> > not a soul-piece, then something that the soul fragment within the
> > horcrux, can recognize. 
>    
> > Valky:
> > I have taken a walk in this direction. and written some thoughts
> > on it which I haven't posted yet. It still supposes that horcrux
> > magic was flying around Godrics Hollow that night, but Harry
> > doesn't necessarily end up with a piece of Voldies soul. 
> 
> Jen: I'm curious about this part: When you say horcrux magic, do you 
> mean soul pieces flying around? Or that Voldemort started the 
> process of making a horcrux prior to visitng GH, and was only 
> waiting on the ripped soul portion to complete the spell? Meaning 
> the horcrux would be 'in process' so to speak.

Valky:
I think that the latter makes the most sense, don't you? 
I really can't claim to have a specific way of seeing it, but I do
think that the few things Dumbledore seems to have deduced about
Voldemorts intentions build a basic sort of picture that fits
something like that.

1. Voldemort intended to make the his last Horcrux with Harry's death.
2. Voldemort thought that he was fulfilling the terms of the prophecy.

It gives a vague image of Voldemort ritualising the actual act of
killing Harry. Possibly laying some magical groundwork for the purpose
of undermining the fortune the prophecy holds for him. I think it's an
underestimation of Voldemort to merely assume he picked a prophecy boy
and went forth gung-ho to destroy. Even Dumbledore recalls that
Voldemort applied some interpretation to the words that he knew,
according to Snape. 

So what I am saying is, Voldemort contemplated the meaning of "Power
to Vanquish the Dark Lord" before he chose Harry and decided how to
kill him. And Voldemort is, despite his faults and ignorance,
brilliant in his own right, extraordinarily so. So leading to him
having discerned in his own way what this power that could defeat him
might be, and a plan that would effectively trick it up, overturn it.
Except for his underestimation of Lily's sacrifice, he quite possibly
came up with the right conclusion. 

This is supported by the prophecy, which speaks of more than a single
power. It specifies a possible two, the power to vanquish the Dark
Lord - the one Voldemort himself made a deliberate attempt to figure
out, and the power the Dark Lord knows not - mentioned separately
within the prophecy, given a distinct mention hence possibly a
distinct subject.

In summation, I have only a vague sort of ghost image of what exactly
he did and how it backfired on him instead of Harry as he intended it
to. However, I am sure that all indications point to the scar itself
being a mark of Voldemorts own curse. A curse that is activated by an
attempt on Voldemorts life, which sends death at the hand that has
activated it. Kind of like a Mark of Cain.

 
> Valky: 
> > What happens instead is that Voldmeort falls victim to a curse he
> > put on his own body, to make it unkillable. The scar therfore is
> > where Harry gets touched by that curse which is in line with what
> > Hagrid told him in PS/SS, and Dumbledore too was a victim of this
> > curse which would explain the lightning shaped crack in the ring. 
> 
> Jen: So Voldemort attempts to protect himself with the same curse 
> that he put on the ring. I'm not sure about the unkillable part--if 
> he could make himself immortal with a curse, why would he bother 
> with the Horcruxes? Or do you mean it was sort of a temporary curse?

Valky:
No I mean he used both, permanently. I do understand you're saying
it's overkill, but I can't put that past Voldemort, personally. He's
gone to extraordinary dramatic lengths, so many that he hardly
remembers them all, and can't really be sure which one worked or how. 

I alos do think that there is a line between unkillable and immortal,
its a shady one, but I think enugh to motivate someone psychotically
obsessed with not dying to cover both angles. 

A Horcrux can be destroyed, and Voldemort himself is effectively a
seventh Horcrux. His "immortality" is his soul being bound to the
earth, however his body can still be destroyed. Hence although, as I
said its a ridiculously exaggerated difference, it's still a
difference enough for Voldemort to care. And it explains why he
insisted his regenerated body was not as immortal as his old one, in
at least one way.



> Jen:
> The idea of the scar on Harry's head and the same scar on the ring 
> is good though, and in fact, leads me to another thought. If the 
> ring got the scar when the soul piece was destroyed--did Harry, too, 
> destroy a soul piece that night? One which flew through him and was 
> destroyed upon leaving its container? 
<snip> I'm just confused about the mechanics.

Valky:
I have thought of a secnario similar to this, but I never much liked
it. Also I am becoming rather attached to the idea that the scar shape
is the sign of Voldemorts curse attacking. It confuses a little,
because it seems to say that Harry is/was a Horcrux when he got the
scar, but I actually think that is not quite right, and that rather
the best way to look at it as to imagine Harry as a mirror. 

This kind of brings us back to the ritual or plan Voldemort had for
killing Harry. Dumbledore sees that Voldemort chose Harry based on
their likenesses, and if he is not wide of the mark, then perhaps it
was their likenesses that Voldemort deduced held the key to
vanquishing him. So he went to GH, with a deliberate plan to undermine
Harry's likeness to him and use it to destroy him. 

This incorporates nicely Lily's eyes, I think, because it leans over
into the notion that Harry saw in Voldemort that Voldemort saw himself
in Harry. Although this seeing with the eyes of love, sort of thing
might seem to be a perfectly innocuous and non magical precept, lets
consider it to *be* magic. If it were, then Harry being able to see
with his mothers eyes, would just be in his crib, innocently holding a
mirror up to Voldemort, and Voldemort shoots an Avada Kedavra at it.

Harry's eyes would then essentially reflect the magic straight back at
Voldemort, and Voldemorts curse would activate sending death straight
back at Harry. But the curse cannot kill Harry, because Harry has done
 nothing wrong, nothing at all. And the curse will only destroy the
one who tried to kill Voldemort, so it bursts back out of Harry and
straight at Voldemort. Voldemort might be the one the curse is meant
to protect, but he is also the guilty party who tried to kill the
protected, the curse is too crude really to see the difference and it
kills Voldemort, in the meantime blowing up the house in it's confusion. 

It's still needs work, I know, but does this ring any truer to you?

Valky