Events At Godic's Hollow Re:That darn Prophecy again...

[ellecain]

No: HPFGUIDX 140105

Saraquel wrote:
>  If LV was 
>trying to make a Horcrux at GH, did Lily step into the space around 
>something that was being charmed. Do you see what I mean?  Might 
>that have caused something to happen?
>I also have a problem with the whole notion of Harry surviving an 
>AK.  If Lily stepped in front of him, then she took the hit of the 
>AK and it never got to Harry

Elyse: I was under the impression that Lily was already dead
at the time of the AK and/or Horcrux-making spell. 
(Cruxio! with a swish and flick?)

As you said there was an object there that was intended to become a 
horcrux. I guess it had to be kept within a certain range
at a certain point. And since the Horcrux-making spell (I'm going to 
call it Cruxio for want of a shorter word) is supposed to be 
extremely
difficult magic. It would have needed some preparation, not just of 
the object, but the concentration required to "harness the soul".
I doubt Lily would have stood around watching Voldemort
preparing for her son's death.
So I believe they were started after he killed Lily, not before.

However, I am still interested in this theory, despite my
inclinations against Harry The Horcrux!
So here goes the other side of the argument:

We know from the Dementors' effect on Harry in PoA that
Lily was screaming "Not Harry, Not Harry, Please not Harry,
Take me, kill me instead." Or something along those lines anyway.
It is possible, given Voldemort's sadistic side,
that he might have rendered Lily wandless and thus helpless
when he came into the room. He might have forced her to watch these 
preparations, and explained, to her increasing horror, what he was 
going to do.
So now that Lily knows about the proposed Horcux creation,
she cries "Not Harry, take me, kill me instead, etc".

Now when Voldemort hears this, he thinks, 
OK It might make more sense to kill the "Chosen One" with all
seven Horcruxes firmly in place. So when he releases Lily, she 
stands in front of her son, and makes a deal with Voldemort
to use her death instead of Harry's to cast the Cruxio.
And then suddenly Voldy changes his mind. He remembers
the reason he came here was to use the death of the one who could 
possibly vanquish him. Lily screams that he made a deal that he 
cannot go back on, but Voldemort is no longer paying attention
And so when she refuses to stop shielding her son, he kills her.

Now the nature of the deal that Lily made with LV was that he 
wouldnt touch Harry. Breaking this deal is what causes the AK along 
with the Cruxio to backfire, shredding LV's soul into two more 
pieces, one of which goes into Harry as his scar.And thus we have 
Harry the Horcrux!

Skipping back onto the other side of the fence, wasnt the nature of 
Lily's protection that Voldemort could not touch Harry?
I think DD says it in PS/SS and in GoF Voldemort says something like
"... I could not touch the boy...lingering protection resides in my 
veins also....but no matter I can touch him now" and puts a long 
white finger to Harry's cheek.
So if the AK was unable to penetrate the no touch protection, how 
did the Cruxio pass through?
If Quirrels physical touch was impossible in PS/SS then how would 
Voldy's *soul* be able to get into Harry's skin cells?

Okay, I realise that this post didnt make much sense.
I probably shouldnt have supported both sides of the argument at the 
same time anyway. Feel free to throw stones, but forgive the 
grammar:)

Elyse