Voldie's Wand and other details

[saraquel_omphale]

No: HPFGUIDX 140374

>Lolita wrote:
>(*Mind you, this is a whole new can of worms. 12 GP was protected by
>Fidelius. Fair enough. But when Kreacher showed up at Narcissa's
>door, how come that she didn't figure out that the HQ of the Order
>must be at 12 GP?

Saraquel:
I think that the magic of the Fidelious charm is to make something 
inaccessible in the present.  This is a bit difficult to explain – 
but it's a bit like forgetting a word (something that happens to me 
increasingly often – ahhh, old age creeping up.) You know that the 
word exists, you know the meaning of the word, but for the life of 
you, you can't access the word itself.  So even if Narcissa put 2+2 
together about knowing Kreacher, she would still not have been able 
to actually think, 12 Grimauld Place.  Neither would she be able to 
actually pinpoint where the house was. It would remain tantalisingly 
and frustratingly, out of reach.

If you are in on the secret, as the Members of the Order are with 12 
GP, then the problem is not being able to think of the secret, but 
you face an inability to communicate it.

>Allie wrote:
>The house has been destroyed - effectively, there is NO SECRET 
>LEFT, since there is no house left. I think this is why baby Harry 
>could be found.

Saraquel:
Yes Allie that was my thought too.  The Fidelius charm, in this case 
was used to hide 2 people in a house.  It's a question of what is 
charmed, the house or the Potters? I'm inclined to think that it was 
the house.  Pettigrew charmed the house, using the Fidelius, hence, 
as the caster, he still had access to its whereabouts.  Once the 
house is destroyed, the charm is broken and just like magic, anyone 
who ever knew where GH was can remember/find it again.  I have no 
doubt that DD was the one who suggested in the first place, that the 
Potter's hide at GH.

However, having said that, there must also be some sort of bond in 
the mix between the Potters and Pettigrew, as the secret that he has 
to keep does not belong to the house, but to them.  Once they are 
dead, I presume that bond dissolves as well.

>Lolita wrote:
>I think that Snape contacted DD the moment his dark mark 
>disappeared, he must have figured out that something had happened 
>to LV.

Saraquel:
Nice one Lolita, I really liked this as an explanation.  Although DD 
(and anyone else who knew where GH was before the Fidelius Charm was 
put on it) would be able to remember or talk about where GH was the 
minute it blew up, and this would immediately alert them to 
something being wrong. It really depends on your Snape allegiances 
as to whether you put him in the mix. Perhaps it was a combination 
of Snape telling DD of about his dark mark disappearing and DD then 
immediately being able to talk about GH that alerted them to the 
problem. 


If you start to try and work out the implications of this magic, it 
is really mind boggling.  Is the charm really a memory charm which 
reaches out to everyone who knows about the secret you are hiding, 
and confounds their memory of it: or is it more like Plato's Forms, 
where in order to think about anything that exists you access a sort 
of perfect form of it that is out there in the ether, and the magic 
simply hides this form from you?   Perhaps it's not wise to go too 
far down that road <g>.

Saraquel