[HPforGrownups] Re: Snape's future (Was: Snape's other books)

Tue Sep 20 22:43:04 UTC 2005

No: HPFGUIDX 140553

Kaylee here!

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Potioncat:
> But even more interesting, Snape was said  to belong to a gang that
> included Bella, yet she's surprised that he  lives here. Narcissa, on
> the other hand, knows just where it is. She  hurries there with no
> apparant problem. Has she been here before? Hmm,  was there a dish of
> ACID POPS on the side table?

Kaylee interrupts Potioncat: (Sorry, Shipmate! *salutes*) A dish of ACID  
POPS on the side table...hehe...I love that. I'm sure dear Cissy has been there  
quite a lot, since she knows the way. I wonder, actually, going off on a  
tangent, if maybe *she* was the girl who laughed as Snape tried riding the  
"bucking broomstick"? Sorry for being off-topic...

> There doesn't appear to be any charms on the house that would make  
> it hard to find. So either Snape and Pettigrew had better pack up  
> quick, or Snape had better begin the incantations! (That would, of  
> course, make him "Prince, charming".)

Kaylee again: *laughing hysterically at the "Prince, charming" comment*  
True, he'd better. I think Snape has enough sense to know that. Hopefully, he  
also has enough prowess in Charms to do it. After all, it is Snape who disdains  
the "silly incantations"...

SSSusan:
Do we know whether others know  where Spinner's End is?  Yes, Narcissa-
sweetie knows (and, Neri, this  might be good evidence for ACID POPS), 
but who else does?  Does Snapey  have frequent visitors?  I cannot 
imagine it!  Does the WW have  the equivalent of the white pages or 
anywho.com to locate people?   Well, yes, owls, but if the house has 
been made unplottable, for  instance?  Who would've been aware of the 
location?  Who would  Snape have allowed to know?  

Kaylee interrupts her Captain to add: Perhaps Madam "I'm A Prince" might  
know? *grins* Irma Pince, that is..."CHOCOLATE IN THE LIBRARY!!!!!! OUT!!!!!!"  
*laughs*

SSSusan continued: Yes, you're right, Potioncat, that there don't  *appear* 
to be any 
charms on the house, but maybe that's because we only see  Narcissa 
arriving (and Bella coat-tailing).  Maybe she's been there  several 
times before?  Perhaps she's an exception – she has  "pass-through 
privileges" or, as with 12 GP & the Order, there are a  select few 
who've been let in on the location via Secret  Keeping.

Alright, that's weak.  If it were unplottable, presumably  Bella 
wouldn't even have been able to SEE it, even if Narcissa could.   So, 
it probably is unlikely that Snape can return to Spinner's End...  
unless he went there immediately upon leaving Hogwarts, before the  
Aurors had a chance to go after him.  

Kaylee now: I wonder  where he'll go if he can't go to Spinner's End? Malfoy 
Manor, perhaps? It *is*  Draco's house as well as dear Cissy's, and Snape 
could take Lucius' place and  they'd live happily ever after <eg> What do you 
think?

Carol:
> > But I've also been thinking of what Snape is going to  do now.  If 
> > the Aurors question Narcissa Malfoy (and I'll bet  they will since 
> > Draco is an accessory to murder as well as being  guilty of 
> > attempted murder and various other crimes), she could  give away 
> > Snape's hiding place.

Kaylee here: But would she, if she was living there too?

Potioncat:  
> Unless of course, Spinner's End is charmed in some way and
>  Draco has to hide there too.

SSSusan:
I already shared my thoughts on  that, above.  But, Carol, why *would* 
Narcissa give it away?  Or  do you mean she'd be forced to do so?  

I'm rather more fond of the  idea that Snape & Draco will hide out 
somewhere else.  Who was it  who suggested under the boardwalk, as it 
were, at the Malfoys' manor?   Something like that, or some special 
place Voldy has set aside for secret  meetings or hideaways.

Kaylee: *blinks* Huh. What do you know, I didn't even read this far yet and  
already I agreed with you, Cap'n Susan. *amused*

Potioncat:
>  Well, there are some nice caves not too far from Hogsmeade. He can
> hang  from the ceiling there..erm I mean...hang out there. Of course,
> the  first time he saw words carved in the cave wall "Padfoot was
> here" he'd  go ballistic.

SSSusan:
Snort!  Wouldn't that be a hoot? I could  see Snape hanging out in a 
(non-Siriusly-tainted) cave, but I couldn't see  Draco hanging out 
there WITH him.  Snape might have to ditch the kid  somewhere safe and 
go solo.  Since I believe in DDM!Snape, I also think  he'll *want* to 
ditch the kid and go solo.

Kaylee: No, no,  no..."Moony was here!" Why stop at caves? How about the 
Shrieking Shack?  *snigger* What do you think?

Carol:
> > What happens next? Is he still bound by the vow to  protect Draco,
> > even though Draco is now a "man," having turned  seventeen on June 
> > 5?

Kaylee: Draco, a man? Puh-lease. *snort*

Potioncat:
> I read  the UV as being completed with the death of DD, but if not,
> I'd think  Draco's coming of age would finish it. Since coming of age
> completes the  blood protection with Harry's family.

SSSusan:
I'm in agreement that  the death of DD ended Snape's UV obligation to 
Draco.  I can't imagine  that his coming of age would have anything to 
do with that, frankly.  I  mean, surely a UV could be established 
between parties of any ages, so why  would Draco's coming of age end 
the vow?  No, if it's complete, it's  because Snape upheld his end of 
the bargain by killing DD.  

Kaylee: Agreed. I don't think Draco's coming of age had anything to do with  
it either.

OTOH, I still can't quite imagine Snape abandoning Draco.  He  might 
not keep him with him long while he's on the run – I could see him  
arranging for his safe deposit *somewhere* -- but I can't imagine his  
lugging Draco along with him.  The only way I think Snape would stay  
with Draco long is if they both end up hiding at the  Malfoys'.

Kaylee: And again, I say we're thinking along the same lines.  Malfoy Manor, 
in Wiltshire if I remember OOTP correctly. Hey, isn't that where  Stonehenge 
is?

Potioncat:
> Snape could end up in Azkaban. If so, I'm sure we'll  get the scene
> where he's tossed into his cell and the first thing he  sees is
> writing on the wall "Padfoot was here".

Kaylee: Oh no...*howls with laughter* You've got to be kidding, Shipmate.  
"Padfoot was here" too? LOL

SSSusan:
Hee.  His tormentor forever, huh? ;-)   

Seriously, I don't think Snape will end up in Azkaban.  Though if  he 
did, we might get to see some highly entertaining interaction between  
Snape & Lucius!  ["What were you doing with My Woman, Snape?"  
demanded Lucius.  "No, no, Lucius, you've got it all wrong!  I was  
simply doing all I could to assist your precious progeny," snivelled  
Snape.  Heh.]  

Kaylee: *rolls on the floor laughing* This  is too much. His tormentor 
forever, I guess, if you want to look at it that way  *grin* I say if Snape invents 
a curse labeled "for enemies" and then gets his  own curses used on him, he 
deserves it. Wait, that's another thread. *blush*  Sorry.

Potioncat:
> My guess is that we won't see any of the Dumbledore  Murder 
> Investigation either. Unless Arthur is either part of it or  hears 
> about it and tells us, erm, I mean, tells Harry about  it.

Kaylee: LOL. Dumbledore Murder Investigation. Anything like CSI  perhaps?

SSSusan:
I think this is highly likely, myself – that Arthur will be  in on or 
aware of the investigation... or that Harry will be in touch with  
Moody, Tonks or Shacklebolt, who'll be investigating.

Kaylee:  Siriusly, if Harry's not kept "in the know" during book 7, I will 
bang my head  against the wall until it breaks open.

Potioncat:
> I really expect we'll either see almost nothing of  Snape, or we'll
> see an absolutely horrible Snape until the end. At the  end we'll get
> some big scene which will prove at last which side he has  been on.

Kaylee: We'd better.

SSSusan:
While I don't care if we're led to believe in an absolutely  horrible 
Snape `til the end, I do hope you're wrong about seeing almost  
nothing of Snape 'til the end.  I would like to see periodic Snape  
updates throughout book 7.  Not that I have a CLUE what he'll be  
doing or how Harry will be responding to news of his 
whereabouts/alleged  activities/offers of assistance or whatever the 
hell is going to be  coming.  But I'd like to *not* spend the whole 
book waiting &  wondering or getting no Harry thoughts/responses.

Kaylee: I just want to find out what side he's on. Oh, wait, I know! HIS!  
*grins* Snape is for Snape!

Siriusly Snapey Susan, still chuckling over "Padfoot was here."

Kaylee Tonks-Lupin, laughing about that  too...

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