Bullying and Snape/ Snape and Regulus/OFH!Snape (LONG)

[quick_silver71]

No: HPFGUIDX 140795

> Alla:
> 
> I can see several Snapes, so to speak. Evil Snape, who is 
Voldemort 
> servant, OFH!Snape who just wants to live, Sort of good!Snape who 
> genunely thought that he has no other choice but to kill 
Dumbledore 
> in order to help good guys, because he feels that he is very 
> valuable to good guys and he has to stay alive to that.
> 
> But I don't think that I ever be able to see the same sort of DDM!
> Snape you see - because in my reading, even if Snape is good, he 
had 
> to realise that even if he thought that he had no other choice, 
but 
> to kill Dumbledore, there is always a choice, even if this choice 
> means Snape being dead.
> 
> What I am trying to say is that I absolutely do not see DDM!Snape 
> who will be praised at the end for killing Dumbledore on 
> Dumbledore's orders or something like that.
> In my mind, if Snape is good,  he will be VERY remorseful for what 
> he had done, even if Dumbledore's death will have an unexpected 
> consequence of helping  the Light.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Sherry now:
> 
> <SNIP>
> > Same with that vow.  If Snape didn't know what
> > Draco's assignment was, then he was an idiot to have agreed to 
> it.  If he
> > did know, then he is no more DDM than my dog is! 
> <SNIP>
> > So, to my mind, the most straight forward reading of the 
> unbreakable vow
> > fiasco is that Snape is either a fool or evil.  
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> OK, at the end of my very LONG post I think I am allowed to say 
YES, 
> Sherry, me too, me too, me too. :-)
> 
> If Snape is a good guy( he does not know the task), he is the 
> complete fool for agreeing to give the Voldemort" blank check" 
with 
> his signature on it ( Love that expression of Dan's) and if he 
knows 
> the task, then he is ... well, then he is signing a contract for a 
> murder, IMO.
I still think an overlooked possibility is Pawn!Snape. The argument 
that Voldemort would immediately kill spy!Snape has never rung true 
for me. When has Voldemort killed needlessly (virtually every murder 
he has committed has had a reason...with the exception of 
Myrtle...who was actually killed by a snake anyway)?

Isn't it odd that Snape's name never once comes up in regards to 
what Voldemort is actually doing? Never was during the Horcrux 
lessons is he mentioned with regards to the information and even 
during OotP Lupin states the Order is working of Dumbledore's ideas. 
Seems like a pretty pathetic spy or a spy who is being fed 
information. None of the other DEs seem fazed that the Vanishing 
Cabinets are used to get into Hogwarts (indeed Fenrir Greyback must 
have known what he was checking on) so if Snape is such an amazing 
spy why does it come out of the blue?

Snape was been shown to make foolish choices before: the Whomping 
Willow incident and his foolish little stunt in PoA (where he 
deludes himself into believing that he must save Harry Potter...and 
rushes in without sending for help...did he really think he could 
take Lupin and Black together?) stand out. 

Draco is given a mission that seems designed to drive his desperate 
mother to Snape, the only person that can help her son. Bellatrix is 
there, supposedly on the outs with Voldemort, who then serves as 
bonder. Peter is there...adding to Snape's unease or serving as a 
distraction. 

I believe that it would be incredibly easy for Voldemort to set up 
the situation in Spinner's End that leads to Snape being caught in 
the Unbreakable Vow at which point his loyalty or morality really go 
out the window. I think that Voldemort gave Snape enough rope to 
hang himself...just like he did to Harry in OotP (and CoS for that 
matter too).

Voldemort has a record of using plans that rely heavily on people 
doing certain actions...CoS, GoF, and OotP make this point quite 
clearly. Voldemort lets Harry come to him, to find things out along 
the way, to do what he, Voldemort, wants, to accomplish the goals 
that he, Voldemort, wants. 

In the end Severus Snape could well be not DDM, OFH, or ESE but 
simply a man caught in the webs of so many plots by both Dumbledore 
and Voldemort that he hung himself. Let's hope he gets one real 
choice before the end.

"quick_silver71"