Political positions of the characters/James reacting to Remus' lycanthropy.

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 150474

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "a_svirn" <a_svirn at ...> wrote:
>
> > Valky:
>  I do think that Snape believes Sirius
> > is a coward, and that Snape calling Sirius a coward represents
> > something factual in the context of their history.  
> 
> a_svirn:
> He must be daft to believe that.

Valky:
No I don't think it's daft, its a bit narrow-minded, both Sirius and
Snape have terrible tunnel-vision about each other, I think. 
There is plenty of proof for us all that Sirius is not a coward, thats
true, but Snape chooses not to see it because it doesn't suit his
vendetta for Sirius to be good in any way, and same goes vice versa.
IMHO. 

> 
> > Valky:
> > I love my imagination ;) You're entitled to argue that all you 
> > want a_svirn, but it doesn't sway my conclusion one way or the 
> > other. :) By the way I said they were vigilante not vigilant, 
> slight difference.
> 
> a_svirn:
> *Vigilante* is even more ironic. They were anything but. It is the 
> Marauders who were law-breakers, not their victims. 

Valky:
In war people change the degrees of their moral compass, they act out
their feelings of entrapment in chaos, striking out at the nearest
symbols of the enemy. Children pick up lethal weapons, and others drop
bombs on semi-related civilian settlements. The war doesn't make it
less wrong, but that doesn't stop people getting caught up in
themselves as heroes of a cause and going through with such awful
deeds, despite that they are otherwise good and moral people. 


> 
> > Valky: 
> > You speak, I believe, here wih authority that you do not possess in
> > regards to the backstory of the Marauders and Snape.  It is not my
> > imagination that they were living in the midst of a war, a_svirn. 
> Is
> > it in your imagination that they were not? Perhaps you will need to
> > reread the GOF chapter entitled Padfoot Returns in which Sirius 
> makes
> > a conclusive statement that not only were they a. in the midst of a
> > world war, but also b. shock, horror, gasp!! ;) they were 
> profoundly
> > affected by it.
> 
> a_svirn:
> What do you mean by affected? That they were more inclined to 
> violence than most, because of the war? I think you have no 
> authority to make this statement either. There is nothing in canon 
> to suggest that. 


<g> I don't know what authority I need to say that this quote was in
Chapter 27 of Goblet of Fire, but thats all I said, effectively, AFAIK-

"Imagine that Voldemort's powerful now. You don't know who his
supporters are, you don't know who's working for him and who isn't;
you know he can control people so that they do terrible things without
being able stop themselves. You're scared for yourself, and your
family, and your friends. Every week, news comes of more deaths, more
disappearances, more torturing 
 The Ministry of Magic's in disarray,
they don't know what to do, they're trying to keep everything hidden
from the Muggles, but meanwhile, Muggles are dying too. Terror
everywhere 
 panic 
 confusion 
 that's how it used to be."
"Well, times like that bring out the best in some people and the worst
in others." Chapter 27 GOF.

But there you have it.  



> And, you know, no one is more affected by the war 
> than Harry, but we don't see him being *vigilante*, do we?
>

Valky:
Yes we do, he's all over Malfoy like a pool of sick in HBP. ;)