Old, old problem.

[dumbledore11214]

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> > Alla:
> 
> > whatever manipulation he does is to help WW, not for his 
personal 
> > gain.

Draeconin: 
> I think you mistake me. I've said nothing about personal gain.

Alla:

Sorry again then.
 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > Well, that is I just don't see. I am again going to ask you for 
> > canon which supports the argument that DD is a man desperate to 
> > remain in control and will do almost anything to keep it. 
> 
> Draeconin:
> Did you see that part that said I wrote it as part of my stories? 
> Fiction? Entertainment?

Alla:

Of course I saw that part, but now I am confused even more :) I 
thought that the fact that you wrote it in your stories means that 
that is how you perceive Canon!Dumbledore, since on this list we 
discuss canon, not fan fiction.

So, you do not perceive Canon!Dumbledore as the man desperate to be 
in control?

 
Alla:
> > Is it so difficult to imagine that he indeed forgot how 
> > hurtful scars of the youth could be and Snape could not have 
> > overcome that?
> 
> Draeconin:
> How did we begin discussing Snape?

Alla:

Ooops, bad habit, I guess :) Am working on it. But I do think that 
Snape is relevant here, because we were talking as to why Dumbledore 
would not have stopped Snape's abuse of Harry, no? And I was trying 
to explain why in my opinion nonmanipulative Dumbledore would let 
Snape just be Snape?

Alla: 
> > ( And no, I don't justify what Snape does to Harry AT 
> > ALL, in case you have not read my other posts. :) 
> 
> Draeconin:
> I'm sorry, but no, I haven't. In fact I've found myself so caught 
up
> in replying to the responses to my original post that I haven't 
even
> had a chance to work on my stories today. If that keeps up, I may 
have
> to unsubscribe.  But Snape was actually a side issue to point out
> Dumbledore's lack of interference in bad situations.  

Alla:

Oh, no, no, no, no. :) You don't have to apologise for reading my 
other posts. The only reason I brought it up is to avoid the 
argument that I somehow justify what Snape does, I just wanted to be 
sure, you know :)  

 
Alla:
> > And my question as to why he would want a weapon still stands, 
> > because I think that Dumbledore trusts Harry's heroic nature, 
and 
> > trusts that he would want to fight the man who killed his 
parents 
> > without Dumbledore controling him and telling him what to do.
> > 
> > I think DD trusts that Harry will figure things for himself and 
> > makes the right choice.
> 
> Draeconin:
> Well he's done his best to ensure that, hasn't he? That was the 
point
> of all the manipulation.
>

Alla:

And we are venturing into agree to disagree area. I disagree that 
the reason Harry would want to fight Voldemort is because of 
Dumbledore's manipulations. I really do. I think that this is who 
Harry is. That is why he would fight Voldemort, because of who Harry 
is.

JMO,

Alla