Old, old problem.

[Shamyn D. W.]

No: HPFGUIDX 150973

> Alla:

> whatever manipulation he does is to help WW, not for his personal 
> gain.

I think you mistake me. I've said nothing about personal gain.

> Alla:
> 
> Well, that is I just don't see. I am again going to ask you for 
> canon which supports the argument that DD is a man desperate to 
> remain in control and will do almost anything to keep it. 

Draeconin:
Did you see that part that said I wrote it as part of my stories? 
Fiction? Entertainment?

> Alla:
> 
> Well, that is possible of course. It is also possible that Vernon 
> could have thrown Harry out on the streets just as he tried to do in 
> OOP and Petunia would not have been home at the moment to stop
> it,  no?

Draeconin:
And if he did, then according to what you've written, Mrs. Figg would
have been right on top of the situation. But here we're getting into
what *might* have happened, rather than looking at why something *did*
happen.

>> psychologically challenged

> Alla:
> Believe it or not, even though you seem to be joking, I do believe 
> it fits facts better than Puppetmaster!Dumbledore. But I will 
> rephrase it a little bit, instead of "psychologically challenged" 
> Dumbledore, I would put "emotional idiot" Dumbledore. He is 150 
> years old and is it such a wonder that at such old age he forgot how 
> youth feels?

Draeconin:
Not at all. But it seems that you're trying to explain why Dumbledore
is manipulative, etc.  I'm not worried about that - just the fact that
he is.

> Is it so difficult to imagine that he indeed forgot how 
> hurtful scars of the youth could be and Snape could not have 
> overcome that?

Draeconin:
How did we begin discussing Snape?

> ( And no, I don't justify what Snape does to Harry AT 
> ALL, in case you have not read my other posts. :) 

Draeconin:
I'm sorry, but no, I haven't. In fact I've found myself so caught up
in replying to the responses to my original post that I haven't even
had a chance to work on my stories today. If that keeps up, I may have
to unsubscribe.  But Snape was actually a side issue to point out
Dumbledore's lack of interference in bad situations.  


> > > Alla:
> > > Why would he want a weapon? Why?
> 
> >Draeconin: 
> > Er... Voldemort? Death Eaters?
> >
<snip>
> > Where in the world did you get the idea I was referring to 
> politics or
> > political power?
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Sorry for misunderstanding you. But could you please clarify what 
> kind of power you were referring to then?
> 
> I thought you were saying that Dumbledore wants Harry as his weapon 
> because he wants personal control in order to achieve some kind of 
> the political gain for himself? 

Draeconin:
Absolutely not. Harry is (originally only by Dumbledore) the perceived
weapon that will either kill Voldemort or be killed by him.  Harry is
the weapon that the prophecy says is the WW only chance of defeating
Voldemort. 

> And my question as to why he would want a weapon still stands, 
> because I think that Dumbledore trusts Harry's heroic nature, and 
> trusts that he would want to fight the man who killed his parents 
> without Dumbledore controling him and telling him what to do.
> 
> I think DD trusts that Harry will figure things for himself and 
> makes the right choice.

Draeconin:
Well he's done his best to ensure that, hasn't he? That was the point
of all the manipulation.