Requiescat in Pace, My Dark Phoenix

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No: HPFGUIDX 151327

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" Message 151314 
wrote:

> Anyone who knows me from my old days here, or the other groups in
> which I've participated, knows I am an unqualified Snape-lover.

> For me, he is the absolute best thing in the series.  

"K":

I agree. 


Talisman:
> No, tis Snape who is already dead.  He's not exactly gone, though.
> There is little doubt that Book 7 will reveal him in all his dark
> and posthumus glory.


"K":

The problem I have with Snape already being dead is due to comments 
made by JKR after the release of HBP (emphasis added).

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JKR: Well, okay, I'm obviously – Harry-Snape is now as personal, if 
not more so, than Harry-Voldemort. I can't answer that question 
because it's a spoiler, isn't it, whatever I say, and obviously, it 
has such a huge impact on *** what will happen when they meet again 
*** that I can't. And let's face it, it's going to launch 10,000 
theories and I'm going to get a big kick out of reading them so 
[laughs] I'm evil but I just like the theories, I love the theories.

The Leaky Cauldron and MuggleNet Interview
Part 1
2005
http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2005/0705-tlc_mugglenet-
anelli-1.htm

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Talisman: 
> Certainly DD's death was a fake.  The series explores and signals
> the ruse of death in nearly every book.

snip


> Then there is the matter of impersonation.  Again, it's everywhere
> in the series, and I well expect it to play a continued role in the
> plot.


"K":

While I agree with the fake death hints, I don't believe it's Snape 
who is dead. Especially after the JKR interview remarks.


Talisman:
> And, who knows, Switched!DD could well be a metamorphmagus.
 
> Rowling has suggested we explore DD's lineage, but other than
> Aberforth, we have no family to explore.
> 
> We have, however, seen more of that Black family tree. There, along
> with the evidence that everyone (not just purebloods) in the
> Wizarding World seems to be related, we saw more of those
> interesting *black spots.*
> 
> It could be fun to have DD somewhere up in the tree that leads to
> Tonks. He might be the spot next to Elladora, though I favor a
> (cheerfully speculative) construct where his family members blend 
in
> through marriage a step or two above Tonks.


"K":

My bet is on a link between Dumbledore and Gryffindor. 

As for the Black family/metamorphmagus angle, I surely see that 
making an appearance again, if it already hasn't happened. 


Talisman:
> I also like the idea that this may not be the first time Snape and
> Dumbledore have switched places. Dumbledore's line from GoF has
> always intrigued me:
 
> *[Snape] is now no more a Death Eater than I am* (591).

snip

> I initially thought that Switched!Snape was experiencing his 
>Godric's Hollow remorse in the potion scene.
 
> But, on further reflection, I believe he is reliving the murder of
> his family as a penalty for his failure or refusal, as a young DE,
> do something the Dark Lord had ordered him to do.
 
> This also satisfies the intra-book symmetry: he protects Draco from
> what he then demonstrates he has suffered himself.
 
> This view fits well with the words *Don't hurt them, don't hurt
> them, please, please, it's my fault, hurt me instead...(572).
 
> Indeed, if Snape is reliving what he said to Voldemort  (say, as
> Snape's parents were Crucio-ed to death to punish him for refusing
> an order) the repeated pleas to *make it stop,* the mea culpas: 
>*It' s all my fault....I know I did wrong...I`ll never, never 
>again...,* all make sense.


"K":

It would seem possible for the above words to come from Snape. 
However, could not Dumbledore, the great giver of second chances, 
have a spotted past(now no more a DE quote)? I'm not saying 
Dumbledore was ever a DE, just saying it's possible at one time in 
his life he was not exactly clean and hence suffered in some way due 
to his own actions, as seen by his statements in the cave.


zgirnius Message 151318
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/151318
>However, I really find it hard to believe that the man in the Cave 
>was not Dumbledore. He's an important figure in the story with a 
>particular sort of relationship to Harry. And probably the single 
>most beautiful, moving moment in that relationship occurs during 
>the Cave sequence, when Dumbledore tells Hary, "I am not worried, 
>Harry, because I am with you." I just can't quite bring myself to 
>believe that Rowling would write this moment in for an impostor. (I 
>can imagine her writing some moving scene between Snape and Harry, 
>that's not a problem-but with >Snape as Snape, if you see what I 
>mean. At that point in the story the line as a line from SNAPE to 
>Harry, just does not have the same impact).

"K":

Once again I agree. I just can't see Snape telling Harry *I'm not
worried, I'm with you* (A terribly corny scene, btw. Am I the only 
one who disliked this part?)

The thing is, if you go back and read Chapter 28, Flight of the 
Prince, it's hard to picture the Snape in this chapter being anyone 
but Snape. 

The anger, the mention of James once again, the white-hot, whiplike 
hex(?)against Harry' face...all these are very much Snape-like. 
The acknowledgement that *he* is the HBP. Sort of takes away from 
such a climatic scene if this is truly Dumbledore, IMO.

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"I've got to find them and destroy them, and then I've got to go 
after the seventh bit of Voldemort's soul, the bit that's still in 
his body, and I'm the one who's going to kill him. ***And if I meet 
Severus Snape along the way," he added, "so much the better for me, 
so much the worse for him."*** (emphasis added)
HBPpg 651

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The above statment by Harry, combined with JKR's interview statement 
of *when they meet again*, has me pretty well convinced Snape is 
still alive. :-)

"K"