How HBP could have interwoven into CoS (Was: Re: Eileen Prince)
dungrollin
spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com
Tue Aug 1 19:17:48 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 156317
Carol:
But I have trouble understanding (even though I've read the
interview in which JKR made the comment) how the plot of HBP could
have been used for CoS. Was "Half-Blood Prince" originally a
nickname for Voldemort, which she later assigned to Snape? surely
she would have had twelve-year-old Harry finding out that much about
Teen!Snape (finding Sectumsempra in his second-year Potions book and
using it on Draco when both of them are twelve years old???) And
obviously, Snape, regardless of his loyalties, would not have killed
Dumbledore in Book 2, which would have meant closing down the school
in Harry's third year and otherwise generally ruined the slowly
unfolding main plot. And the encounter with the HBP's book would
have worked rather oddly in connection with Ginny's interaction with
the diary.
I'm completely thrown by this particular piece of information,
frankly. Does anyone have any ideas how the HBP plot could have been
interwoven with the Chamber of Secrets/diary/Basilisk plot?
Dung:
Coincidentally I was wondering similarly a few days ago. First, lets
disentangle the HBP plotline from everything else that occurs in
book 6, and see what we're left with.
Well, the answer is not a lot, actually. It's just Snape's old text
book with the potions additions and the made-up spells which get
nastier, and his nick-name The Half-Blood Prince, which tells us a
little about his family. The UV, the DADA job, and the murder of
Dumbledore I wouldn't class as part of that plotline.
I did consider, like you, the possibility that Voldemort was
originally going to be the HBP. There's one line of canon I can
think of which might indicate the possibility, and it's DD at the
end of CoS:
Ch18 p247(UK):
"[...]On the other hand, I would advise you, Lucius, not to go
giving out any more of Lord Voldemort's old school things."
But on further reflection I've decided I think it was always going
to be Snape. It's personal character information about what Snape
was like at school and his family, it's just not transferable to
another character, and neither is it an important enough plot point
that it doesn't matter who was the HBP, we just need an HBP,
somewhere. No, I think it was always Snape.
Because now you come to mention it, I've always wondered why there
was so little about Snape in CoS. From where I'm sitting it looks
like the plan was to drop in a little more information about him
with each succeeding book, and the information that Snape was a
highly gifted half-blood with a penchant for the Dark Arts would
have fit quite neatly into the scheme.
Consider:
PS: Snape hates Harry because he hated James, but he never wanted
Harry dead.
CoS: (if the HBP plot had been left in) Snape's a highly gifted
half-blood with a penchant for the Dark Arts. As it is, we learned
nothing about Snape, except that he *really* hates Harry.
PoA: The hatred between Snape and the Marauders in more detail,
along with The Werewolf Caper.
GoF: Snape was a Death Eater, but rejoined DD's side before
Voldemort's fall.
OotP: Snape is a gifted Occlumens, which is how he manages his
double-agent role, Sirius *really* hates him, and doesn't think
he's really reformed.
HBP: Spinners End etc, bang bang bang.
Book 7: Either the cunning ruse which convinced DD to trust him, or
the big reversal, and his real reasons for wanting Voldy finished.
(You know which I'm rooting for.)
Most likely, IMO, is that the plotline was moved wholesale. Harry
would originally have got the HBP's book in year 2 and events would
have transpired similarly to the way they finally did in HBP; any
old accident could have been conjured up to give him the excuse of
needing a school copy, and he could easily have tried out something
nasty on Draco, though not necessarily Sectumsempra.
But I'll bet you a box of Honeydukes Best that it wasn't originally
going to be a potions book, I bet it was going to be a DADA book.
Snape would have been suspicious immediately if Harry had started
doing brilliantly in potions right under his nose.
If that's the case, I can see why she thought better, and put the
HBP into book 6; quite apart from allowing Lockhart the vanity of
demanding all his own publications as set texts, having Harry use
the HBP's notes would have undermined his natural brilliance at
DADA. Having the HBP revelation in book 6 also allows us to have
seen Levicorpus used before, and it gives Harry a chance to talk to
Lupin to get some more clues.
I also think that the HBP (since the book was 50 years old) would
have been a red herring suspect for the Heir of Slytherin, and was
replaced with the Draco Malfoy polyjuice escapade.
Out of interest, did anyone ever figure out what that detail was
that JKR insisted was kept in the unnameable version of CoS?
Dung.
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