Scene with likeable James WAS: Re: Eileen Pince LONGish

[zgirnius]

No: HPFGUIDX 156322

Alla:
>about emotional and intellectual 
> response to the characters.
> Obviously I like Sirius character very much, but I just don't see 
how 
> even on pure intellectual level it can be argued that he was 
> completely normal through PoA. IMO text does not support it.

zgirnius:
IMO the text does not give us enough 'normal' Sirius for us to know 
what normal is for Sirius. You concede as much, really, because the 
only time you think he was 'normal' was in GoF.

In school: He was a teenager, they are thoughtless; and anyway Snape 
was a special case.
As a young man: he was naturally upset over the deaths of the Potters.
For nearly a year in PoA: He was not right in the head after Azkaban.
In OotP: He was not right in the head, forced to live in his hated 
childhood home.

Did you really fall in love with this character based only on his 
actions in GoF? Personally I fell for him when he was first 
introduced to us in PoA, but recognized that, despite my liking of 
him, he has definitely acted in ways I don't approve. (To join you in 
emotional anaylsis fo the character <g>.)

 
> Alla:
> See above. I may settle on **half crasy**, but I am unable to agree
> that through PoA Sirius was totally normal. Sorry!

zgirnius:
See above...we've barely seen him 'totally normal'. (It would be 
completely cool if we get to meet normal Sirius behinfd the Veil in 
Book 7...)


> Zgirnius:
> And he'd seen Ron's terrified reaction to the
> > first incident, and had to be aware Ron's friendship with Harry,
> and
> > yet he was still willing to cause Ron a painful injury at the end
> of
> > the year.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Willing to cause Ron an injury? Didn't he say that there would be
> only one murder tonight in Shack? Or am I movie contaminated here?

zgirnius:
Ron's leg did not break by itself. I did not suggest he planned to 
murder Ron. I was referring to the fact that he injured Ron.