Scene with likeable James WAS: Re: Eileen Pince

[zgirnius]

No: HPFGUIDX 156388


>   Joe:
>   Sorry but that doesn't make sense. JKR shows Snape going for his 
wand but makes no mention of either James or Sirius having their 
wands out. As I said James WAS looking for a confrontation. It is 
canon however that Snape went for his wand while there is no mention 
of either of the other boys having drawn theirs. PS doesn't James 
later cast Levicopus non-verbally?

zgirnius:
Nonverbally means without speaking an incantation. It still involves 
the use of a wand. She just chose not to describe it, because it is 
implicit in what happens that they had them. Certainly, James's was 
both drawn and pointed while Snape was still trying to get at his and 
deal with his knapsack. James might have been a western-movie-style 
quick draw specialist, of course, we are shown those refelxes. <g> 
Sirius might have drawn his after Snape was already disarmed...but 
then who is the aggressor?

    
>   Joe:
>   I agree James was probably going to say something very 
unpleasant. Sanpe however is the one who from all appearances 
initiated the real aggression. 

zgirnius:
You can't possibly know that for two reasons.
1) See above;
2) Snape might have been getting his wand as a precaution.

Joe:
> You peer pressure comments ring very hollow in the face of canon 
evidence.

zgirnius:
In Lupin's own words to Sirius, about Sirius and James:

> OotP, "Career Advice"
> "Did I ever have the guts to tell you that you were out of order?"

Meaning, he thought they were out of order, and he did not have the 
guts to tell them.
  
>   Joe:
>   Yet the only observer we state states "That Snape was clearly 
unpopular."  With no other canon evidence to the contrary it is safe 
to say that he WAS clearly unpopular.

zgirnius:
Not all that unusual a fate for greasy-haired hook-nosed oddballs, I 
might add. 

--zgirnius, thinking Joe's wife is a wise woman...