Agnes (was Re: Eileen Prince & Grandma Longbottom

[potioncat]

No: HPFGUIDX 156588


> 
> Abergoat replies:
> I certainly acknowledge your points and this thread should NOT
> exclusively talk about Agnes, ...

Potioncat:
I fixed it. Now we can talk about Agnes. (see subject line.) I've 
noticed lately that fewer and fewer list members are getting my 
jokes. I suppose I'll have to start using smileys.  ;-)

Somewhere, upthread, I was trying to make a point about the 
difference between a canon-based discussion and a speculation based 
discussion. Either one is fine (I think) so long as you're discussing 
canon.

Once upon a time, any post was pretty well scrutinized for its canon 
support. Not that one couldn't post without it, but that one would 
expect hot and heavy canon shots at anything that didn't hold up. It 
was fun. (Mostly I lurked, but it was fun.) It was like a game 
football (either version works). You expected to be tackled and you 
got up and tackled back.

If it's speculation from the get-go, it's hard to take shots or make 
agreements. But that's OK too.

Abergoat:
 I don't know anything about your Snape is
> the great grandson of Phineas but if it answers as many questions as
> 'Eileen was attacked by Voldemort' then I hope you were allowed to
> discuss it on the forums with other interested parties. 

Potioncat:
I sure I would have been. Fanfic was the format I chose for that 
idea. It just worked better that way. 

>Abergoat: 
 So when we add that to the extensive (and
> expensive) collection of books at Spinner's End, the fact that the
> potions book date puts the original owner (possibly Eileen) at
> Hogwarts within a year of Hagrid, toss in Hagrid's insistance on 
Snape
> being good to the point of calling Harry 'stupid' in HBP and I think
> there is a fair amount of canon that suggests Eileen is important 
and
> is connected to Hagrid.

Potioncat:
I think we have canon for Eileen being (or having been) important. I 
think she (and possibly Tobias too) love(d) books. We can't be 
certain that the books at Spinner's End were Eileen's, but it's a 
good guess. 

I think Hagrid trusts Snape, although I don't know why, but I think 
if it concerns Eileen, there has to be more than that. I think it's 
likely Snape lost one or both parents young, but then how does it 
hold up that all those books were Eileen's? I also think his interest 
in Dark Arts had more to do with Healing than with Hexing. 


Abergoat:> 
> As for the name of dog lady being Agnes, it is conceivable that
> Eileen's full name is Eileen Agnes Prince and she preferred to go by
> Agnes. A tournament, wedding announcement and birth announcement 
would
> use the given name, not a preferred middle name. Am I reaching?

Potioncat:
Here, here's an idea and it's actually crossed my mind before. 
Remember Marc (Mark?) Evans? JKR forgot she'd given Lily the same 
last name? Maybe she forgot the Dogfaced lady was given the name 
Agnes.

Hey, it could happen. ;-)

And I would never say that something shouldn't be discussed, so if it 
seemed like I did, I'm sorry. (Oh, in the interest of honestly, I did 
once say something shouldn't be discussed, but I was over-ruled.)


Of course, if say, someone wanted to suggest that Snape must be good 
because (and this is true) Alan Rickman has very, very recently been 
quoted as saying he hasn't played a villian in years...well that 
person would do better to say it on a different forum. ;-)

Potioncat  ;-)   :-)  ;-)  ;-)